God: Misinterpreted as an extraterrestrial?

[lucent]

Again, we don't know where our universe ultimately came from. I can say "we don't know" and still know that you, personally, are incorrect in your beliefs about its origins if they are in any way based off of the biblical account.

You don't know the biblical account is wrong, you just presume it is. Therefore, you can't say I am wrong based on your presumption.

Genesis is not, by many christian interpretations, or by the weight of the evidence available to us, an account of material creation.

There is evidence which suggests it is correct, which you ignore or are unaware of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2wlSDV1ut0

Being unable to pin down the specifics of any given event does not preclude us from being able to whittle down the list of things that it is not. For example, we know that there was a massive extinction event during the Holocene epoch. We don't know exactly what caused it, but we are fairly certain that it was not nuclear weapons.

Ever heard of a worldwide flood? That is an extinction level event.

Again, if you know the origins of our universe in better detail than our current understanding, go claim your Nobel Prize. Nothing irritates me more than people claiming knowledge of things they have absolutely no knowledge of. It's deceitful.

I know enough to know that the evidence science presents for an old age for the Universe, and for evolution, is extremely weak, and the "mountain" is really a clevery disguised molehole.

Two responses arguing about evidence, rather than presenting any. Typical. Do I need to make special rules about evidence before any evidence for god can materialize? I won't, and you shouldn't either.

You keep repeating you want evidence over and over again, so I am asking, what exactly is your standard for evidence?

Perhaps you didn't understand my request. If "goddidit" has explanatory power, it should be easy to elaborate upon the proposition. Unless you were talking out of your ass. And here I see you doing it again. God doesn't account for any of those things, you simply believe that he does. UNLESS YOU HAVE EVIDENCE.

Umm..perhaps you're new to philosophy, or just debate in general, but to say something has explanatory power just means that as a hypothesis it can account for certain facts about reality. God can account for why we have a Universe, why we have a world fine tuned for life, the origin of life, the rise of consciousness, objective moral values, and brings together every epistimological, metaphysical and ethical discipline into a cohesive unity. Whether you believe He exists or not is irrelevent to the question.

Hahaha, I get to toss out that favorite amongst apologists. It doesn't matter how god could have done it. He clearly did it in the manner for which we have mountains of evidence.

That isn't clear at all, though it is clearly your personal preference to believe that. Again, there is evidence which suggests otherwise, which you are either dismiss or are unaware of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n042X-Fuihg

To argue otherwise is to argue for Loki, not Yahweh.

Non-sequiter

If, if, if, if. Good thing the universe is billions of years old then, eh?

Is it?

http://www.4thdayalliance.com/articles/u...-universe/

Perhaps you should have said "I don't believe in science" rather than "science cannot explain". That would have been a more accurate description of the situation.

I believe in science. Evolution and big bang cosmology is not science.

It would also have prevented the embarrassing episode whereby I linked you to something that science could indeed explain, that you were simply ignorant of.

The theories for stellar evolution and planet formation don't work..this is fairly well known. I'll find you some better articles later..pressed for time.

http://creation.com/phoenix-galaxy-stars...ion-theory

Evidence for god? Evidence for cosmic judgement? Evidence for eternal life? Evidence for Christ? Evidence for creation? Evidence for "spirit"? So, again, bullshit (unless you're actually going to provide evidence for any of this, instead of blustering around like a child caught in a lie).

Again, what is your standard of evidence? And there is plenty of evidence to suggest the secular ideas of how the Universe began and came to be as it is are incorrect. There is obviously no empirical evidence for spirit by definition. There is historical evidence for Christ. There is evidence, but will you thoughtfully consider it, and what exactly is your standard?

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