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Was sin necessary for knowledge?
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RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge?
(November 17, 2018 at 2:39 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Well, as far as our discussion goes 'd say that knowledge would be some awareness of the nature of the act and it's consequences.  One of my favorite lines in all of the OT comes directly after the narrative of the fall.  The (in)famous "Am I my brothers keeper?".  

Consider a world which had never tasted death.  How, then, should a person know what it would mean to bludgeon their brother?  How, indeed, should he have even known where his brother had gone?  It's unclear how cain could have acquired such knowledge necessary for this act to be sinful, regardless of whether it was murder.... except for the earlier narrative conceit of the fruit which conferred it, and it having somehow been passed from his father to himself.

I disagree with that particular example as a basis for judging sinfulness. One could argue it's before the noahic covenant. Could you define a more contemporary example of your logic if mine doesn't suffice for you? Is there a particular problem with my puppy/baby example?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 16, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by A Theist - November 16, 2018 at 2:12 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 16, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Belacqua - November 17, 2018 at 3:04 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Angrboda - November 17, 2018 at 10:01 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Belacqua - November 17, 2018 at 6:44 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 17, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Belacqua - November 17, 2018 at 6:50 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Catholic_Lady - November 16, 2018 at 2:24 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 2:31 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 2:34 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Tiberius - November 16, 2018 at 2:38 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 16, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by A Theist - November 16, 2018 at 4:53 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 17, 2018 at 6:22 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by A Theist - November 17, 2018 at 1:56 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Silver - November 16, 2018 at 3:04 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 3:24 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 16, 2018 at 3:35 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Silver - November 16, 2018 at 3:37 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 16, 2018 at 4:15 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Silver - November 16, 2018 at 4:16 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Silver - November 16, 2018 at 3:25 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 16, 2018 at 4:17 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 4:27 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 16, 2018 at 4:45 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 4:53 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 16, 2018 at 6:26 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Catholic_Lady - November 16, 2018 at 6:31 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 16, 2018 at 6:37 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Catholic_Lady - November 16, 2018 at 7:03 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by pocaracas - November 16, 2018 at 6:38 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by vulcanlogician - November 16, 2018 at 6:41 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 16, 2018 at 7:03 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Catholic_Lady - November 16, 2018 at 7:15 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 17, 2018 at 2:12 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by vulcanlogician - November 16, 2018 at 8:18 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 6:55 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 7:18 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 8:23 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by vulcanlogician - November 16, 2018 at 8:35 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 8:47 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 9:15 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 9:19 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 8:28 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 17, 2018 at 8:36 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 2:18 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 17, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 2:39 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 17, 2018 at 2:45 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 17, 2018 at 2:53 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 3:02 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 17, 2018 at 10:36 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 6:50 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 6:52 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Belacqua - November 17, 2018 at 7:02 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 7:03 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by John V - November 18, 2018 at 8:22 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by pocaracas - November 18, 2018 at 12:46 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2018 at 11:40 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by tackattack - November 18, 2018 at 12:52 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2018 at 1:03 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by pocaracas - November 18, 2018 at 1:06 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2018 at 1:08 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by pocaracas - November 18, 2018 at 1:09 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2018 at 1:11 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2018 at 9:12 am
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Catholic_Lady - November 18, 2018 at 8:55 pm
RE: Was sin necessary for knowledge? - by Grandizer - November 18, 2018 at 10:59 pm

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