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No DHS necessary
#1
No DHS necessary
Today the police in my country arrested a 20 year old wannabe terrorist/jihadist. Our 'AIVD' (a combination of FBI, CIA, and NSA) had identified him via the internet...! A search warrant uncovered 35 feet of ignition cord, aluminium powder (very explosive) and Jihadist videos. The man had scoured the internet in the past weeks for bomb building manuals.

1) All this without an expensive, irritant DHS.

2) Want more proof how intelligence services monitor everything you and I do on the internet?

This will be picked up too, of course. It's got the tag words terrorist, jihadist, ignition cord, aluminium powder, bomb, and bomb building.
Twice. Big Grin
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#2
RE: No DHS necessary
While we can't do the same in our own country.
Way to go Turkey.
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#3
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: While we can't do the same in our own country.
Way to go Turkey.

Yeah right! More likely, they can and do, but you simply don't know about it because your access to the right media and websites is controlled by them and journalists audacious enough to report it lose their jobs... Big Grin

You realize that you, too, have now been linked to those tagwords, don't you, mehmet? Big Grin
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#4
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: This will be picked up too, of course. It's got the tag words terrorist, jihadist, ignition cord, aluminium powder, bomb, and bomb building.
Twice. Big Grin

I wouldn't be surprised. I sometimes wonder whether IM conversations can be monitored like that. I'm decently knowledgeable about computers, but I don't know much about the internet/networks.

I often drop the words terrorist, bomb, paedophile, etc during IM just to be a cunt incase teh governments is tracking usage of keywords through IM Big Grin Somehow that seems doubtful given how man IM conversations there are at a given time... but then I think of some of the super computers out there and it begins to seem pretty possible.

They'd probably be search for phrases like "I'm a / I want a terrorist" or "how to make a bomb" rather than just "terrorist" or "bomb" which would probably turn up way too many false positives.
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#5
RE: No DHS necessary
Quote:2) Want more proof how intelligence services monitor everything you and I do on the internet?

Well, let's start gently,with SOME proof. You haven't actually provided any yet.Cool Shades



Quote:but I don't know much about the internet/networks.

That's OK,neither does Rokcet. Ask Tiberius,he doesn't seem to be paranoid and actually knows what he's talking about.
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#6
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 17, 2012 at 12:16 am)Tempus Wrote: I sometimes wonder whether IM conversations can be monitored like that. I'm decently knowledgeable about computers, but I don't know much about the internet/networks.

Assume they do.
Assume they monitor everything that's unencrypted.

Quote:I often drop the words terrorist, bomb, paedophile, etc during IM just to be a cunt incase teh governments is tracking usage of keywords through IM Big Grin

Better beware: they love to screw cunts!

Quote:Somehow that seems doubtful given how man IM conversations there are at a given time... but then I think of some of the super computers out there and it begins to seem pretty possible.

If they string together a couple million federal PCs' processing power when they are not in use (screensaver time, night time, etc.; probably 16 hours a day or better per machine) in a 'distributed computing' system – like analysing SETI signals with the [email protected] project – they have the number crunching power of a thousand supercomputers at their disposal...

So yes, it is very possible. They don't need realtime analysis. A couple days is perfectly OK.
Once a suspect has been identified other, realtime systems take over. They 'zoom in', as it were. For which not nearly as much processing power is required. A dozen workstations running dedicated software is enough to run any targeted surveillance situation.

Quote:They'd probably be search for phrases like "I'm a / I want a terrorist" or "how to make a bomb" rather than just "terrorist" or "bomb" which would probably turn up way too many false positives.

That's never stopped political parties looking for scapegoats, or Sheriffs or DAs grandstanding as they are running for office. Etc. etc. Meanwhile innocent "suspects"' characters are assasinated and lives destroyed. Even if they get acquitted eventually. On page 26.

Who wants that PITA? That trauma? And that expense?
And that's how you armtwist people into plea bargain confessions even if they are totally innocent.

Not much different from what the Inquisition and the witch hunters did...
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RE: No DHS necessary
(March 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote:
(March 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: While we can't do the same in our own country.
Way to go Turkey.

Yeah right! More likely, they can and do, but you simply don't know about it because your access to the right media and websites is controlled by them and journalists audacious enough to report it lose their jobs... Big Grin

You realize that you, too, have now been linked to those tagwords, don't you, mehmet? Big Grin
They most certainly *can*, however looking at how the terrorists and their websites seem to have a free hand over the web...And they do, for I know some of their sympathizers on a personal level.
If the media would be telling us about such a victory, where terrorists have been identified via the sites they've visited and emails they've exchanged, we could have saved a lot of soldier's and civil lives in the past.
However, our government simply chooses to remain passive, while our intelligence has been castrated, where the head of the seperatist terrorists is still allowed to see his lawyers even though his sentence has been spoken(life imprisonment. There isn't much more to be discussed), and gives orders from the safety of a prison. I wish that he'd die under somewhat weird circumstances, but our gov is too much of a wuss to kill him. Then it's best for them to release him, give him his freedom so we can tear him to pieces outside of these walls.
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#8
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 17, 2012 at 12:33 am)padraic Wrote:
Quote:but I don't know much about the internet/networks.

That's OK,neither does Rokcet. Ask Tiberius,he doesn't seem to be paranoid and actually knows what he's talking about.

Yep him and the other guy... whose name I can't remember except that it's green Big Grin I have other more knowledgeable (than me) contacts, I'm just not interested because I find it a boring subject currently - though that could change.

I don't necessarily believe this is happening. However, I wouldn't be particularly surprised if it were.
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#9
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 17, 2012 at 3:40 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: They most certainly *can*, however looking at how the terrorists and their websites seem to have a free hand over the web...And they do, for I know some of their sympathizers on a personal level.
If the media would be telling us about such a victory, where terrorists have been identified via the sites they've visited and emails they've exchanged, we could have saved a lot of soldier's and civil lives in the past.
However, our government simply chooses to remain passive, while our intelligence has been castrated, where the head of the seperatist terrorists is still allowed to see his lawyers even though his sentence has been spoken(life imprisonment. There isn't much more to be discussed), and gives orders from the safety of a prison. I wish that he'd die under somewhat weird circumstances, but our gov is too much of a wuss to kill him. Then it's best for them to release him, give him his freedom so we can tear him to pieces outside of these walls.

Got a military style ironed pile of brown shirts in the closet ready for action, mehmet?
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#10
RE: No DHS necessary
(March 17, 2012 at 5:51 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote:
(March 17, 2012 at 3:40 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: They most certainly *can*, however looking at how the terrorists and their websites seem to have a free hand over the web...And they do, for I know some of their sympathizers on a personal level.
If the media would be telling us about such a victory, where terrorists have been identified via the sites they've visited and emails they've exchanged, we could have saved a lot of soldier's and civil lives in the past.
However, our government simply chooses to remain passive, while our intelligence has been castrated, where the head of the seperatist terrorists is still allowed to see his lawyers even though his sentence has been spoken(life imprisonment. There isn't much more to be discussed), and gives orders from the safety of a prison. I wish that he'd die under somewhat weird circumstances, but our gov is too much of a wuss to kill him. Then it's best for them to release him, give him his freedom so we can tear him to pieces outside of these walls.

Got a military style ironed pile of brown shirts in the closet ready for action, mehmet?

No, but I do wish I did.
Sadly, the current organisation within the nationalist scene does not allow for such a disciplined rank of nationalist youth to join. Last time we were at a protest, I told the people to hold a rank of four, while these ranks would hold a straight line, and march orderly towards our destination.
Sadly, the discipline was awfully lacking. Well, not everyone has the privilage of being the grandson of a soldier, who himself was a grandson of a soldier.

On the other hand, we do not need an organisation of people to tear that man to pieces. As long as he's outside, the people whose sons were martyred in the fight against the terrorists, mostly mothers, will seek him out, and kill him in the most painful way ever.
There is an old saying in Turkish,"Those who measure a shroud for the Turk, shall taste a very painful death indeed."
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