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(November 20, 2018 at 1:42 pm)possibletarian Wrote:
Quote:tackattack To answer your question: every emotion that is not love is simply not love.
And you seem to have answered mine, not love is simply not love it could be any emotional state or reaction.
Quote:You are attributing indifference to another emotion or emotional state. I presuppose that indifference is a thing (just like zero) that is the opposite or null position of having some xx feeling.
Yes but not the opposite of of anything, it would have to have some pushback for that, in the same way have nothing or no feeling is not the opposite of any given number or emotion, it's simply to not have that emotion, 'push' and pull' are opposite, but to not push or pull is not the opposite of either (unless you stretch the meaning)
Opposite is very well defined
1.
situated on the other or further side when seen from a specified or implicit viewpoint; facing.
"a crowd gathered on the opposite side of the street"
synonyms: facing, face to face with, across from; More
informaleyeball to eyeball with;
archaicfronting
"she and Alice sat opposite each other"
facing, opposing
"the drawing on the opposite page"
(of angles) between opposite sides of the intersection of two lines.
Botany
(of leaves or shoots) arising in pairs at the same level on opposite sides of the stem.
2.
completely different; of a contrary kind.
"a word that is opposite in meaning to another"
synonyms: conflicting, contrasting, incompatible, irreconcilable, inconsistent, antithetical, converse, contradictory, clashing, contrary, at variance, at odds, different, differing, divergent, dissimilar, unlike, unalike, disagreeing, opposed, opposing, poles apart, polar, obverse; rareoppugnant
"other authors have expressed opposite views"
antonyms: same, identical, like
being the other of a contrasted pair.
"the opposite ends of the price range"
noun
noun: opposite; plural noun: opposites
1.
a person or thing that is totally different from or the reverse of someone or something else.
"we were opposites in temperament"
synonyms: reverse, converse, antithesis, contrary, inverse, obverse, contradiction; More
the other extreme, the other side of the coin;
per contra;
informalflip side;
rareantipode, antipodes
"forecasters expected it to be a year of recovery—in fact the opposite was true"
adverb
adverb: opposite
1.
in a position facing a specified or implied subject.
"she was sitting almost opposite"
preposition
preposition: opposite
1.
in a position on the other side of a specific area from; facing.
"they sat opposite one another"
Quote:Your threshold has to have a point of reference and that threshold I propose is indifference
What point of reference do you use to describe love/not love ?
Quote:(or 0 on a number line). Having an emotion is something to whatever degree you have it. Not having it is it's opposite. You are attributing an inconsistent definition.
Great, then lets use the dictionary (see above)
Quote:Using the numbers example 5 is something. 0 is something and -5 is something. They all have definitions and meaning and attributes and can be described. The degree to which you love increases in magnitude (puppy, lust, selfless, true etc.) the further you are from indifference, and thus, inversely reduces itself to indifference (0).
You don't start with indifference or with none of the attributes of love it cannot be starting point or end point, you can't use a lack of something as a base or reference for anything. which is what you seem to be trying to do. Love has it's own attributes to describe it, it does not need an opposite.
It simply ceases to be love when none of it's attributes remain, it cannot be an opposite, again see lengthy and precise definition above.
The lack of love could easily be described as indifference, but not the opposite (or opposer) of.
indifference is not an emotional state or reaction. Defined as the quality, state, or fact of being indifferent ; specif., a. lack of concern, interest, or feeling;
Lack of feeling is the opposite of having a feeling. It is totally different than having a feeling in any way by it's purest noun definition.
To address your other points: A. I already told you my point of reference for love/not love. You can either feel love for something or not feel love for something. The magnitude to which you love something is it's degree of separation from that person's apathy.
B. We use a lack of something as references all the time in relating to physical objects, I'm just applying the same thing to mental constructs. Let me demonstrate by asking you a question. If I gave you $5 how much more would you have than you do now? You would be 5 dollars richer than what you had before. If you had nothing before than your point of reference is exactly the same what you have.
The same applies to this You have no emotion about something because it's not in your attention (like how much money is in some stranger's wallet). The second it is in your perception you react to that (classification, instinct, whatever). That reaction generates feelings about the subject, therefore you now have a feeling of want for what's in the stranger's wallet). Measuring subjective emotions is definitely a tricky subject which is why I wanted to discuss this generally, because I feel it would be easier to describe with constants like 0 and + -.
Possible, What you feel about something you don't know about has to be nothing by definition, agreed? Wouldn't that be a good baseline to measure emotion from?
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