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Am I an Anarchist?
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RE: Am I an Anarchist?
(November 29, 2018 at 2:01 pm)Cherub786 Wrote: “Haul yourself out into the woods”
Even this technically cannot be done. There is an illiberal concept of “crown land” whereby the government actually owns all the vacant territory within the borders of the state. There is no more frontier. The state is omnipresent as I said.
Opting out of the social contract shouldn’t mean having to go out into the wilderness either. The solution, as I said, is to drastically decrease the size, scope and power of the state. Non-state actors that wield influence in society because their deep roots in it must be respected more.
The violence of the state is also kinetic. It can become violent potentially to put down any uprising to challenge to its “writ”.
Or, you could...you know..buy the plot of land and live on it as you see fit.  : shrugs :

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(November 29, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: China is the usual boogeyman, but a closer reading of that situation would give you a better idea of why religious liberty is curtailed, when and how it is.

Perhaps you should bemoan the overt politicization of religion, instead?  There's a reason that christian missionaries are seen as subversive western imperialists, and t. buddhists as separatist rebels.  They are.

Far right populism....for it's part...chock full of religious dolts who seek to fuck with the Other Heathens™.

Christian missionaries did historically act in the service of European colonialism and imperialism. However, presently that is simply not the case. What will you say about the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I am not a JW myself, but I totally respect their refusal to ritually “worship” the state, i.e., in the form of standing for the national anthem, saluting the flag, etc. Because of this they are viciously persecuted in Russia and other authoritarian states. In China, the Christian missionaries operate without any political agenda. China is “Big Brother” a classical Orwellian state only slightly better than North Korea. Don’t forget that is a nation of over a billion people.
India, the next largest country, also with a population of over a billion, though much better than China, likewise has issues with religious liberty and the poison of ultra-nationalism.
I should also add here that there is a strong current of anti-nationalism and contempt for patriotism in my political philosophy. That is why I respect the JWs in particular despite disagreeing with their theology and metaphysics.
Too often do the autocratic states of the non-Western world invoke the imagined threat of Western imperialism as an excuse to curtail religious freedom.

The western imperialism in christian missionary service to china is a going concern, not a historical footnote, lol.  As far as JWs..surprise surprise, states don't look kindly on people who rail against the legitimacy of the state and have taken that so far as to incorporate it into their ritual observance.  India...full on -hindu- nationalism.  

Meanwhile, here in the states, religious liberty is taken to such an extreme that it's abused as a matter of routine fact in the attempt to trample on the personal liberties of others..most often, themselves, religious.  It's almost as if these religious hookers aren't all rainbows and sunshine, or something?

Combine all of that with the irony of airing these grievances on a atheist board.  You wanna talk personal freedom, the social contract, and religious liberty?  Try on the personal freedom, social contract, and religious liberty of being free -from- religion..for a change.   See how that fits.

You're comments are a canard, a foil..and a common one.

I would reiterate, though, that we might at least find common ground in the notion that if we were made to choose between a usurious state and a state of anarchy, a state of anarchy at least -might- be preferable.  However, since those choices don't exhaust all options present or hypothetical, we can probably hold onto our molotovs..at least for now.  We might really need them, later, after all. Specifically in the event that all of these religious nutballs praying for the apocalypse and the end of the other guy finally get tired of waiting and pull that trigger. All of this swirls around the fact that religion, just like government, is a way of exerting power and social control. They are direct competitors, whenever they aren't collaborating with each other against the rest of us.
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Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:18 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Amarok - November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Angrboda - November 30, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 2:01 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:50 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 2:30 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 2:53 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 9:56 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by brewer - November 29, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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