Is tolerance intolerant?

[The Grand Nudger]

OK so to both your points We all agree you can value the individual but not the claim. I'm familiar with the phrase Brian and agree with it as well.

Gae, I whole-heartedly disagree that we should strive for tolerance, but not in the case of the intolerant without a serious redefinition of the word. If tolerance is accepting ipso facto, then I don't think I agree with that at all. I'm not saying to tolerate the intolerant.

I saying we need to find value where it is and where it's not. Increasing value is a good goal for a society. Having a plurality of opinions and options can be good for a society when tempered with a value proposition.Is a secular society goal more valuable than a theistic society, idk. Is a slavery accepting society more valuable than a free society, I don't think so. That doesn't mean that there's no value in the view, just that it's generally less valuable to support slavery.

Would you agree finding basic value and trust to promote fundamental unity with understanding and compassion to achieve civic goals is a better step than ipso facto tolerance of all but the intolerant?

Clearly not, in that I indicated my opinion that a sympathizers coalition with the intolerant was broadly and globally destructive, not constructive.  Where you got the idea that tolerance is some sort of ipso facto aarrangement where we have to welcome the nazis and neoconfederates into the fold, you know..for civic goals (whatever those are) is beyond me. That's not tolerance...lol...that's the alt rights redefinition of tolerance as a cudgel to levy charges of hypocrisy.

If they want in, then they can buy in.  It all begins there, and the onus is on them.

I don't agree with social conservatism, and I don't think that fiscal conservatism has as much merit as it might seem at first....but they're americans. They're already in the fold, all in, and my disagreement with them doesn't send me into a tizzy demanding that border patrol and ice check them all for their papers. The other assholes...well...can you spot a minor difference of mo, there? Those fuckers...for all their flag waving and blood and soil and america first nonsense....are simply unamerican. There's no way around it. They simply do not believe in the fundamentals of american civic duty or ideals, instead..... they flatly oppose them. There can be no accommodation or tolerance there. People that fall into that subset are unfit to leverage authority, and can't be allowed to steer even the most minor of policy decisions. They'll still benefit, ofc, suckling at the tit they would disenfranchise or cage or deport - and even that much may be too good for them, lol.