Atheism, Deism & Christianity

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You seem to be under the impression that any interpretation of the bible is equally valid, as if the words don't actually mean anything.

Yet another ridiculous statement. Every christian interprets the Bible how they please and validity is decided by the interpreter. If you find this to be untrue, than go talk to the Pope, cause I'm reasonably sure he believes his version is completely and totally valid. Your arrogance is off the god damn scale ---- for this entire post actually. but I'll get to that.

There may be disagreement as to eschetology, but the core beliefs of Christianity have been there since the church began. I have 2000 years of testimony from hundreds of theologians supporting my case. As far as catholics are concerned, do you have any idea what the inquisition was about? The catholics had outlawed every translations of the bible except the latin vulgate, which only they could read. So the people had to come to them to find out what was in the bible, and the church added whatever they liked..things such as indulgences, where people would give the church money to get a more favorable outcome for dead loved ones. Anyone who disagreed with them was put to death..millions of christians were slaughtered because they refused to worship a cookie.

If you're expecting me to defend Catholicism, than you have clearly missed the point.

Quote the Bible as much as you want - I sometimes quote it too. I will still mock you when you use it as proof of a claim that it itself makes!

So you're proud of being juvenile? How old are you?

I don't find it remotely juvenile to mock a person who's entire defense of his religion is most often summed up with this pic:

The core teachings of Christianity have widespread agreement within the church. It is not a religious system, as in, do this 3 times every sunday and you're saved. It is at the core a personal relationship with God. It has nothing to do with going to church, and you don't have to go to church to be saved.

For you to just say the words, "no it isn't" is not enough to make your non-point. Christianity isn't some magical experience in your head. It's a well-documented SYSTEM with rules and regulations, dogmas, hierarchies, policies and procedures. Your personal relationship with the lunacy in your own mind does NOT in any way refute my point.

You don't have a point, as you don't seem to know much of anything about theology. You are not saved by regulations, dogmas, hierarchies, polices and procedures. You are saved by faith in God.

So you don't attend church? You pay no offering? You take guidance from no minister? I'm not real sure why you're pretending that christianity is not a religious system just because you get saved by faith, but it's ludicrous. It's a religion pal and it's a system and just because you make the claim that it is not, does not make it true. It was a religion is Rome 2000 years ago and it is one now, and quite frankly this might actually be the stupidest most pointless argument I've ever had.
Oh and thank you Captain Obvious for schooling a former Baptist of 18 years on how salvation works. If only I had god talking to me in my head.

LOL. Come on Lucent. Please. A billion+ christians out there, and you think that a couple hundred people world wide, the majority of which are either lying or delusional, bolsters your point?? That is laughable man.

You never had a point, because you never proved anything. I can easily prove my point by pointing to the innumerable testimonies on the internet from Christians who give the reasons they came to Christ. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of testimonies all over the internet.

Wow, you can twist things around real conveniently can't you. Almost as good as Statler with this one. I never said there weren't thousands of testimonies of Christians on the web and you know it. My point was far more specific than just general testimonies, but I'm going to make you dig that up on your own, as I have indeed made a valid point, you just will never admit it.

It is you who settled on what made you feel good, with no regard to truth. You "saw visions" and found a book that backed you up. If you had seen slightly different visions, you would be worshiping Allah and reading the Quran right now, because THAT would be the book that backed you up. You think, that because your Bible says it's truth that it is? You are wrong and you are wrong simply because I say so. I'm not going to be told that my choice is somehow less valid because some guy who sees visions dancing in his silly little brain thinks that I'm wrong.

Enough is enough with the mocking, condescending, belittling attitude. Perhaps you could at least try to show some maturity here. If you want to have a debate, then let's keep it reasonable and free of ad homs.

Respect will be given when respect is earned and you sir have responded with nothing but an obtuse attitude and a general response of, "no it isn't, cause I said so" without offering any legitimate argument.

Your implication is that I chose this because it has some great truth to it. I chose to label myself with deistic views because they DON'T claim any of that "truth" that you so desperately cling to. Yes, deism suits me, but primarily BECAUSE it does not offer me a phoney god who's far more human than deity.

Right, you "chose" deism, because it suits you. What kind of reasoning is that for a belief system?

Who the hell are YOU to decide what is and is not the proper reasoning for choosing a belief system?? This is supreme arrogance. As if I have to have the ramblings of a bunch of dead tent dwellers to make my choices somehow valid to the likes of YOU.

Don't you have any logical reasons for deism besides that you hate Christianity?

You don't have one. Why should I have to offer you one?!? This thread was not started for me to defend the validity of Deism. You have attempted to turn it into that. I cannot defend the validity of something I cannot prove and have never tried to.
Besides, believing in God is inherently illogical, I choose to do so anyway. Unlike you, all I need is faith in the existence of God. Don't project your bullshit requirements of a deity on me. Whatever "logical" reasons you happen to believe you have for your faith are just going to be your own biased mental capacity.

First of all, you believe that the Universe was supernaturally created in 6 fucking days so your point here means ABSOLUTELY nothing, and my whole point is not the existence of God - it's the idiocy of the Bible, it's god and the fact that it should be painfully obvious to a grade schooler that it is a man made concoction.

If a supernatural creation of the Universe is plausible, then so is a 6 day creation, or the miracles of the bible. Are you actually arguing that your supernatural miracle is more rational than mine?

This might be your best twist of a phrase. Completely dishonest. SO I WILL CORRECT IT, so that it reads the way it was originally meant to be read.

So your idea that the Universe was supernaturally created is plausible but my idea of miracles is not?

First of all, you believe that the Universe was supernaturally created in 6 fucking days so your point here means ABSOLUTELY nothing, and my whole point is not the existence of God - it's the idiocy of the Bible, it's god and the fact that it should be painfully obvious to a grade-schooler that it is a man made concoction.

Clearly in this prior post of mine I was addressing the point that you TOO believe in the supernatural creation of the Universe and that we are not debating that point, but rather that the Bible itself and the story of the 6 day creation, talking snakes, and rib women is absurd and clearly a man made story. Obviously we both think that God created the universe, and it is I who does not HAVE a creation story. You know good and damn well that I wasn't just referring to the 6 days of creation, but rather the entire account in Genesis and the stupidity that follows for the remaining 65 books.

It's exceptionally dishonest to imply that I was somehow giving my creation more validity than yours. I was referring to the ridiculous stories attached to your creation rather than the actual creation itself and you know it. You're being blatantly obtuse with this twisted response.

I just can't seem to get it through your head can I ........I'll try again ........ I DON'T HAVE A RELIGION! I don't worship anyone, therefore the reasons I have offered you for my deistic views have to be adequate. I can't tell you something that does not exist. I told you why I'm a deist. The religions of the world are dishonest and make no sense because they clearly all come from a the hand of a human. I'm not being evasive, there's just nothing more to tell you, and by the way, comparing me to an atheist is a compliment. I didn't subscribe to Deism one day thinking, this sure gives me that warm fuzzy feeling that I've been looking for. God holding my hand, answering my silly prayers and leading me through life so that when I die I can feel all happy about it. ----- That's you, not me. I have no silly book of lies for evidence. Which in the end really says a lot about you and the rest of the sheep doesn't it. You claim to have all this faith, but in the end, you're always looking for evidence for other people's beliefs.

Again, you have offered nothing to suggest why Deism is true or why you have faith in a God that has never made himself known to the world, or what the point of believing in such a god is.

It's official. You're either blind or an idiot. I don't mean that as insult - you just clearly can't read. I DO NOT KNOW IF DEISM IS TRUE anymore than you know that Christianity is true. (yeah yeah, I know you believe it's true, but everyone here knows it's bullshit) I have no evidence to offer you. You truly have no idea what faith is because you keep demanding evidence and a reason. You are completely dishonest to yourself. You do understand the concept of faith right?

Anyway, it wouldn't matter if I offered you pile of evidence and an irrefutable reason for deism --- it would not be acceptable to you no matter what.
(I'll go ahead and get ready for your next post now - to answer the same damn question yet again. )

I wasn't afraid of my mortality when I was an agnostic, nor when I was a theist, nor am I now. This is another stupid atheist meme that you seem to think makes a powerful argument.

Don't it suck when the "bad guys" hit the nail on the head? Even if it's true (and I doubt it is) that you never feared death in any way, that says nothing about the majority of humanity. So STFU, your point is invalid as it only applies to you.

People who repeatedly declare their superiority to others are the ones who have an inferiority complex. All you've shown is that your full of hostility. What you have is an unreasoned, blind faith, that has no rationale behind it beyond "i hate religion".

People who repeatedly declare persons of opposing religions "full of hostility" are relying on tired cliche's in a futile attempt to win arguments. What you have is an illogical, irrational belief in a SYSTEM that was brought to you by the dreams and visions of your own delusional mind.

Since your bible is a myth, your faith has no more relevance than mine, and you are left offering apologetics for a multitude of contradictions, and explanations for ridiculous stories.

While I have nothing to prove and nothing to sell.