(December 26, 2018 at 2:21 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(December 26, 2018 at 10:57 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: In near future robots will have behavior that is identical to humans without having consciousness. Subjective experience seems to be unnecessary.
That's nothing more than conjecture. The problem here is your using the word 'identical'. Which makes your speculation rather implausible in addition to it being groundless.
@Polymath:
I never claimed that the intentional stance and a theory of mind based on our own experiences of consciousness was the only way to make sense of human behavior. I think it is a commonly employed heuristic for making sense of and predicting human behavior. But it's certainly not the only one, and eliminative materialism, to which I more or less subscribe, makes the point that this theory of mind might itself be based upon error and a culturally inherited set of assumptions, ala folk psychology. So, no, I wouldn't say what you attribute to me saying. If I wasn't clear, or said otherwise inadvertently, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
My personal view is that mental states are processes in the brain. We do have a mind and mental states, but those are both determined by the material world.
The analogy that I like to start out with is that of pressure. No single atom has a pressure. It is only collections of atoms that can have pressure and that pressure is ultimately another description of the activities of those atoms. It can be 'eliminated' if a low enough description is made. Nonetheless, pressure is a coherent concept that is useful for talking about macroscopic systems.