RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
December 26, 2018 at 4:53 pm
(This post was last modified: December 26, 2018 at 4:55 pm by Simon Moon.)
(December 26, 2018 at 2:54 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Interesting topic and question. Atheists are proof that "God" or "gods" exist. At the very least, the subject must exist conceptually because atheists talk and contemplate about "God" and "gods" so much.
It is my understanding, that theists are not talking about gods existing 'conceptually'. They believe gods actually exist, in reality.
The reason why some atheists talk about god so much, is because of believers. People's beliefs do not live in a vacuum, they inform one's actions. And many theist's beliefs have real world negative consequences.
If people's beliefs in unicorns had as many negative consequences as god beliefs, I would be speaking out about the irrational unicorn beliefs, too.
Quote:If you mean "exist naturally" then the category doesn't apply since the subject is said to be "supernatural."
Here's the problem. If the god one believes in, is able to affect the natural world; perform miracles, answer prayers, heal the sick, create life, etc, etc, then these actions would leave evidence in the natural world. For example, not a single religion or sect has ever shown that prayer works at better than chance.
If the god one believes in is a deist type god, then said god would not leave any evidence.
Quote:here are some exceptions though where the "natural" is assumed to be a "god", so at the very last it would be considered conceptual and subjective. If you're asking for evidence supernaturally, then it would make more sense to explain what would be assumed as evidence since the subject would supersede the natural world.
It might not be possible to explain what evidence I would expect from a god, but said god sure would know.
But it is not my place to describe what sort of evidence I would expect from a god. As soon as an atheist does that, they get accused of building a strawman.
It is up to those claiming gods exist, to support their claim with whatever they seem to think is evidence.
I can tell you the criteria for the evidence I would accept, but not specific evidence. Evidence that would convince me, would be: demonstrable, repeatable, falsifiable, and verifiable. It would also be supported by valid and sound logic. It is not my fault, that theists fail to meet this criteria.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.