(December 27, 2018 at 9:06 am)polymath257 Wrote:(December 26, 2018 at 9:35 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:
It implies the existence of it conceptually. I thought we already went through this. If you suggest it exists naturally, then that's a whole different category. If you say it exists supernaturally, that's also another category. More than likely, we would use different means for identifying and assessing each based on the category it falls under. If you don't think that's fair, then feel free to disagree. If not, then how would you suggest we assess evidence for anything categorized as being supernatural?
OK, I disagree. The *concept* exists. The object does not. There is an important distinction there that is undermined when you say it 'exists conceptually'. So yes, different terms are required.
Since I have no idea what it means to 'exist supernaturally'. The closest I can get it 'imaginary'.
(December 27, 2018 at 2:01 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: No, they behave like they're conscious and aware but they don't have any subjective experience.
Complex enough software can make robots behave exactly like humans but that doesn't mean that they have consciousness.
Neurons
OK, please define what you mean by the term 'subjective experience' and 'consciousness'. it seems to me that any software that would be able to *exactly* mimic a human in all behavior would require an internal state that it has access to, which seems to fall under the definition of 'subjective experience' in my book.
How, precisely, is it possible to program a computer to exactly reproduce human behavior that does NOT have a subjective experience and consciousness?
How do you know the object does not exist?
Also, here's an explanation with source linked here.
"The concept of the supernatural proposes the existence of things that are inexplicable by scientific understanding of the laws of nature."
There you go. Now you know what it means and should be able to be more specific. You would just need to specify what evidence you would find acceptable that are separate from the laws of nature.