Is tolerance intolerant?

[bennyboy]

It does mean, though, that in the face of racists and other assorted undesirables like yourself, they can still succeed.  That's the added value, and the fact that you don't see value in that is a you problem, not a problem for affirmative action.  Your privilege is showing.  What you mean to ask, what you don't see..is the value to you.

Does it mean that? Do black Harvard graduates go on to shining financial prospects? Do they return to their impoverished roots and rain opportunity on their disenfranchised brothers and sisters?

If the latter were largely true, I would be heavily in favor of affirmative action. What I think really happens is that employers don't see as much value in that Harvard degree as you think they should, that those graduates who DO find very lucrative work get the fuck away from anything like poverty, and not that much more happens than Skylar and Scott who live next door to them now claim the distinct advantage of having black friends.

I can think of a dozen way in which such graduates might attack the statistical clusterfuck I was talking about, and if there's a statistical shift in any of those stats due to affirmative action, then I'll (a) be happy to hear it; (b) be proven wrong.
-Graduates from prestigious law schools (like Harvard) could return to poor communities to do pro bono, and could keep those dads out of jail
-Med school graduates could canvas for donations for drug-treatment facilities
-Programmers could train teams of teachers in the basics of robotics programming, and for a couple million dollars, you could have many thousands of kids with the required resources

You show me that real differences are made, and that all of this isn't just a token gesture of self-masturbatory fart-sniffing by guilty white guys, and I'll be deeply impressed.

The "highest acceptance rate in harvard, by a fair margin"...for reference, amounts to their record high enrollment of a whopping 10-12% (which is laughably about the same as it's been even though they do have affirmative action policies).  So, gratz on ratcheting the disingenuity and cynicism of this thread up a fair few points.  

And what's the acceptance rate for Asian kids? Are we still laughing?

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In the absence of affirmative action policies...that's exactly what happens.  I mean, I don't wanna give away state secrets or anything...but..uh..... america just might have a problem with racism, eh?

Have I ever denied that?

If you want to battle racism, battle racism.  News flash-- making formal policies based on race isn't counter-racism.  It's just racism.

That's why you need to do the legwork to attend to the rights and needs of every individual citizen.