RE: Atheism, Deism & Christianity
October 2, 2011 at 8:29 am
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2011 at 8:31 am by lucent.)
(October 2, 2011 at 1:21 am)Cinjin Wrote: If christians and muslims give themselves the "right" to kill people who inhabit the land that god promised them or better yet, simply don't agree with them ... than guess what ... I'm going to go ahead and give myself the right to criticize stupidity.
Where are you getting this from? Christians don't have the right to kill anyone, nor are we promised any land. All we're doing is waiting for Christ to establish His Kingdom. We have no marching orders besides to share the gospel.
So no, you don't have the right to criticize. In the sphere of rationality, blind faith has the least amount of legitimacy (read: none).
(October 2, 2011 at 1:21 am)Cinjin Wrote: You have actually admitted there is absolutely no reason to believe what you do, and it is actually contrary to logic.
Yep, that is the paradox of who I am, and unlike you and all your brothers-in-christ, I'm not dishonest about it and pretend that some old manuscript justifies my one sole illogical belief.
It's not "one sole illogical belief", it is at the nexus of your entire worldview. It is a lens through which all things are perceived, and if you don't see the implications of that, you're not very self-aware.
(October 2, 2011 at 1:21 am)Cinjin Wrote: I don't *need* evidence, I *have* evidence.
No you don't. Not a single god in the history of mankind, nor the alleged powers of your retarded messiah, has ever been irrefutably proven to exist. The "evidence" you have is only evidence to you. You can believe what ever you want, but silly dreams and an ancient book of lies don't count as evidence to anyone in the rational scientific world. You should just stick to blind faith.
Do you know how ironic your statement is? I should give up what the scientific world considers irrational so I can embrace what the scientific world considers irrational? I have news for you, you're not a member of the "rational" scientific world when you believe in God. I have further news for you, that the secular world doesn't have exclusive domain on reason. It doesn't take blind faith to know there is a God because it is obvious:
Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Belief in God is logical, reasonable and rational, it is the first order of understanding from whence these things are derived. Anyone denying there is a God is not using the faculties of reason, or logic, or rationality.
You don't have blind faith in God, you are just in denial of who He is. The world says "follow your heart" and you listen:
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
The secular world says that God doesn't exist. You know that isn't true but you listen to them anyway:
Psalm 14:1
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
That isn't rationality.
(October 2, 2011 at 1:21 am)Cinjin Wrote: I am not clinging to a belief in hopes that it is true, I came to a belief because I was convinced it was true. Little bit of a difference.
Clinging? Hopes? That's not remotely accurate, as I don't care if I'm wrong.
You're going to care very much if you are wrong:
Revelation 20:15
If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
(October 2, 2011 at 1:21 am)Cinjin Wrote: Ironically enough though, the one thing that did my convincing of my God is the same thing that convinced you of your god. I wonder if that means I should say thank you!?!?
What are you referring to, specifically?
