RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
December 30, 2018 at 5:45 pm
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2018 at 5:46 pm by T0 Th3 M4X.)
(December 30, 2018 at 4:37 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:(December 30, 2018 at 4:01 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I think "evidence" is a difficulty, but "no evidence" is not a rule. Part of the problem is within determining what is objectively considered to be evidence. If the requirement is a "supernatural stick", then it becomes difficult because I don't know what a supernatural stick is. You indicated the Rod of Aaron would qualify as such, but admittedly, I would know where to find it. At best, I can consider presenting it if I were ever to find it.
Well, I mean, God might appear before me and tell me he exists. He could also confirm that his only begotten son, Jesus, died for my sins, the Bible is his inerrant word, etc., etc., etc. If he did that, it would save us all a lot of trouble. Why doesn't he just do that?
God can create the wide and majestic cosmos, but can't be bothered to confirm his own existence except through (highly questionable) ancient texts. Look... he could write it on the moon for everyone to see: "Hey guys, I exist." It would save us all a great deal of trouble figuring it out. But that ain't gonna happen!
What we're left to do is to try to parse through the myriads of religious literature, each text claiming different god(s) are the rulers of the universe. Consider how many religions there are in the world. They can't ALL be true, can they? At least SOME of those cosmic beings described in ancient texts are pure fiction, right? Isn't it reasonable to assume that they ALL are pure fiction?
That's where I'm at right now. And until God makes that personal appearance, I can't see my position changing.
Quote:I know faith can be a difficult concept, but interestingly faith is one of he things in the bible that is cleanly and intentionally defined. As such it can be used as a foundation for understanding.
Faith is actually a good thing, IMO. I don't begrudge anyone for having faith in something. It's almost necessary for life.
But (by the same token) the faithful would be wise not to treat faith like genuine knowledge. It would be honest for those who have faith to recognize that faith isn't knowledge. If you get the two mixed up (faith and knowledge) difficulties ensue.
PS: What did you mean by "no evidence is not a rule"?
So He has to do it your way?
If I want to discover something, then I have a responsibility to seek it.
Want to find the Fountain of Youth. No problem, you might be able to do it, but you'll have to look for it. Want to find the Queen of England? Welp, not likely she'll show up on your doorstep, but you may find her if you seek her out. The moment I start suggesting the Fountain of Youth or the Queen of England don't exist, then it was my own determination that would limit my ability to find them.
I believe in God, and He is also apparent to me. It's not because I had to believe, but because I decided to explore who God was supposed to be, and what that meant for me. We all have different life experiences, so we're not going to necessarily go down the same path during the journey, but no problem. I don't expect you or anybody else to believe based on my own personal experience. Still, I don't mind sharing parts with others if people ask. I also don't mind looking at things objectively with others. But regardless, your decision rests on you. I can't conclude anything for you, and if you don't want to believe something, then I'm not going out of my way to try to change your mind.
(December 30, 2018 at 5:44 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Faith is not a pathway to truth.
Faith is what you say you use when you no longer care about the truth.
Faith is gullibility.
Faith allows you to believe lies when there is no evidence to support a claim.
The moon is made of bacon.
Man B accepts this claim based on faith.
The moon is made of cheese.
Man C accepts this claim based on faith.
Each one believes that he is right.
Each one knows they can't both be right.
But they can both be wrong.
Faith is what you use when you stop caring about the truth.
That's how you view it. It also depends who or what you have faith in.