Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

[Natachan]

Well, ok so you have no problem believing there are other creatures elsewhere in the universe. But if that is true, and those creatures are more complex and more intelligent than we are, then you would have to also assume they may have been the creator of our universe.

Why would I have to assume that? How would that follow? How would their existence in the universe in any way indicate they may have created the universe?

Who made up that rule? I believe God is demonstrated to us by what exists here and that includes life and our ability to be self aware and to experience things on many levels. Not one thing about being human seems like it could have just occured by random chance.

That rule is just a general epistemological rule. If you propose a thing was made by an agent you have to first establish that said agent exists at all. You cannot say that a thing proves the existence of a thing making agent. That’s circular reasoning. And just because YOU think that humans could not have evolved this way without any agent guiding it doesn’t mean that this is true. You still need to demonstrate this agent.

Let’s say we didn’t know anything about evolution. Let’s say we knew nothing about human cognition. This would not mean we were justified in claiming it was due to some agent. That claim needs to be supported on its own.

You might say that the fact that the universe is great is due to the existence of some god thing (which you can’t demonstrate) but Larry says it is due to the existence of inter dimensional unicorns which he can’t demonstrate. Each claim must be supported independently.

EDIT: upon re-reading this some more savvy person might say instead of circular reasoning it’s the logical fallacy of well poisoning. But as I don’t care about the formal name it doesn’t matter much. The concept is what matters so if that needs clarification I will try.