(December 30, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Angelina Wrote: Isn't everything that exists really evidence for God?
No; the existence of a thing is not evidence for the cause of that thing. The cause must be shown to exist and be capable of the effect to be taken seriously. Simply claiming that it exists doesn't cut it.
Quote:Do you think the necessary chemicals and other building blocks of the universe could have just materialized out of thin air on their own? If so, how do you justify this belief?
Do you think an incredibly complex, powerful, intelligent consciousness could have just materialized out of nothing on its own? If so, how do you justify this belief? Claiming "god" doesn't resolve any questions, it just pushes them back one level and sets up a different infinite regress.
If you claim that the god always existed then you have to explain why that's possible but it isn't possible that the energy that makes up the universe could not have always existed.
(December 31, 2018 at 3:32 am)Angelina Wrote: Flowers that came to exist how exactly? How do beautiful flowers exist on our planet?
Abiogenesis and evolution are fascinating processes and provide plausible frameworks for all of the diversity of life. It is personally much more satisfying to have an actual explanation than to just give up and claim it was a magical being.
Quote:(December 30, 2018 at 11:14 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Everything that exists is evidence of existence.
That really doesn't mean anything and just sounds like a cop out.
The only cop out is to throw in the towel and say "god did it" because you don't know something. Saying it was god actually doesn't mean anything as "god" is reduced to a word that means "unknown" but lets people pretend they have an answer.
Quote:Measuring something does not explain how or why it exists
Exactly. The thing is not evidence of the cause of the thing. The existence of the universe is not evidence for the cause of the universe. You have to provide evidence for the proposed cause itself.
Quote:Forces that came to be how? Nothing exerts force without being alive. A universe in motion is a living universe.
That is an equivocation of the word "living". Being in motion doesn't make something alive and plenty of things exert force on other things without any part being alive.
Quote:There is no evidence that supports atheist beliefs, so I don't agree.
The only belief that can be attributed to atheism is the belief that the claim that a god exists has not been supported by sufficient evidence. You can be an atheist and not accept evolution or the big bang or any other scientific theory. You can be an atheist and believe in ghosts and an afterlife and bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster and alien abductions and psychic powers and any other drivel you like.