(December 31, 2018 at 11:49 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: [quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1873725' dateline='1546251000']
I have noticed a trend in theists.
The argument seems to be that anything existing at all is evidence for god.
It is a stupid argument and a sign of desperation.
What is more likely some natural phenomenon created the universe or a supernatural being? The natural process wins hands down. We can witness natural processes everyday but no supernatural process has ever been proven to exist.
And there is never an explanation of why the supernatural is a better answer, they just assert that it is.
They never say how the supernatural being did the creating, where it was where it got the stuff, it just did coz its awesome (apparently).
It is a non-answer, a childs answer to complex issues and seems to need no proof to support it in the simplistic eyes of believers.
(December 31, 2018 at 11:49 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: It's actually a true statement, but inconclusive to many people who choose not to understand.
No it isn't. See I can just state things too.
(December 31, 2018 at 11:49 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: What you're suggesting is more desperation. The "something from nothing" nonsense doesn't hold weight. Just wishful thinking from people who don't want to believe there is a God.
What is with this "don't want to believe" nonsense. I have no choice but to not believe because I find it silly.
(December 31, 2018 at 11:49 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Something cannot come from nothing through natural processes. The claims suggesting it can have been debunked and debunked some more every time someone tries to suggest how it may have happened. Matter cannot be created or destroyed through any natural process. This is known as the "Conservation of Mass."
Ok then, tell me how god did it? where did it get the stuff? what process did it use? where was it before it did all this? what is god made of?
I want evidence for all your answers.
I would guess that you don't have any.
(December 31, 2018 at 11:49 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Now we're supposed to ignore science to accommodate the atheists?
No but then science does not support the idea of a god, or indeed anything supernatural.
The "idea" if you can even call it that that god did it is supremely unhelpful, it has no explanatory use at all.
It is the thoughts of the childhood of our species and should have been jetisoned along with believing in the bogieman long ago.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.