RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 1, 2019 at 8:36 pm
(This post was last modified: January 1, 2019 at 9:04 pm by Angelina.)
(December 31, 2018 at 12:25 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Angelina - there is nothing I can say to you.
Your mind is closed. You have a set belief and I doubt nothing will change that.
I can't explain to you in simple terms why the sky is blue or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
The universe exists.
The energy of the universe, I would say, has always existed. Where would it go ?
How can it not exist ?
I am going to guess and say you believe the universe is so complex, it must have a creator.
Which is more complex, the universe or a god ?
I will again guess, that you will say god.
Then I would say "God is so complex, that he must have a creator. He couldn't just come from out of thin air. He must be created."
Nature is very complex.
Just because you don't understand it, isn't a good reason to believe in a god.
I agree with you that the energy of the universe has always existed, but in order for that energy to create anything, God is required. I believe that that we are so complex, we require a creator, not just the universe itself. God is an eternal self existing being with no beginning or end. I understand nature perfectly well.
(January 1, 2019 at 4:14 pm)Angelina Wrote: I just stated that you would have to assume they "may" have been, and it is not a leap. The vast majority of the world are creationists, and that is because everything we have on this planet and all life here, are more easily explained with an intelligent creator involved.
(January 1, 2019 at 7:26 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Why would have to assume they 'may' have been, that's nonsense, really it is. It does not matter what the majority of the world is or believes, only what we can reasonably prove, if numbers were true then would Islam be more true when it inevitably overtakes christianity as the worlds foremost religion ?If you will concede to the likelihood of alien of higher intelligence, why not concede to the likihood of God? What is it about God that bothers you?
(January 1, 2019 at 4:14 pm)Angelina Wrote: Not one thing about being human seems like it could have just occured by random chance.
(January 1, 2019 at 7:26 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Why do you say that , feelings ?Not just feelings, although obviously we are not zombies. Self awareness, eyesight, hearing, thinking, all of it is not explainable in my mind just by random chance.
(January 1, 2019 at 4:14 pm)Angelina Wrote: I have read all about evolution, and it explains practically nothing, and definitely nothing I was referring to.
(January 1, 2019 at 7:26 pm)possibletarian Wrote: The way you characterise it makes me think you have not understood it. Evolution fits the world we see around us much more closely than any creation myth.I understand evolution very well, and I understand that it explains practically nothing. What do you think it explains exactly? It is just natural selection and that gives absolutely no explanation for how even one thing in the world or in the human body exists.
(January 1, 2019 at 1:38 pm)Angelina Wrote: We grow enough food each year to feed the whole world 1.5 times over. 10 Billion people can be fed by what is currently grown each year. There should be no starving people in the world, but it does require money and action to get the food to those people, and as Christians we are doing everything we can to get this accomplished
(January 1, 2019 at 7:26 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Clearly you cannot simultaneously have a country with so many claimed christians doing everything they can, while at the same time having most the wealth in the world, that is the most ridiculous claim I have heard. It is more accurate to say christians, along with Muslims, atheists, humanists (add any religion you want) are doing something.Not anywhere near as much as Christians are doing.
(January 1, 2019 at 1:38 pm)Angelina Wrote: What you should ask yourself is, why aren't the other people in the world doing just as much as the Christians? If they were, we would have no starving people.
(January 1, 2019 at 7:26 pm)possibletarian Wrote: What makes you think they are not? So far you have boldly claimed this yet given no reason for it.What makes me think they're not? They are not even coming close. Christians are helping people in so many different ways all over the world. No group compares.
And if god kept his promise there would certainly be no starving christians.
(January 1, 2019 at 1:38 pm)Angelina Wrote: The passage you quoted was Jesus speaking to people who were specifically instructed, as you quoted "to first seek the kingdom of God and His Righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you" Christians are also going on missions all over the world, trying to encourage every single person to accept His gift of Salvation, but not everyone is receptive.
(January 1, 2019 at 7:26 pm)possibletarian Wrote: What has that to do with god's promise to feed and clothe those who seek first his kingdom? are you suggesting that those christians in countries where their children (and themselves) starve to death are co-incidently those who are not real christians ?Starvation is not really a problem among Christians. Christians feed the hungry amongst them, shelter the homeless, visit the imprisoned, clothe the needy. I guess you don't know much about us.
Is it a promise of god, or is it not ?
Why do christians who claim that their god made the whole universe appear out of nothing (note it's theists who do that, not atheists), then ask us to believe god then cannot keep his promise because he's been incompetence enough to entrust this promise to people he must have foreknown will not deliver ? All your reply tells me is no god is exactly the same and indistinguishable from your god.