RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 11, 2019 at 9:29 pm
(This post was last modified: January 11, 2019 at 9:33 pm by Angelina.)
(January 11, 2019 at 6:05 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Let's start right here.
You are correct. It didn't miraculously come into existence.
Everything that exists did not come into existence. It already existed in the form of energy.
How was energy existing in the universe? How did it come into existence in the first place and if you think it has always existed then why did it always exist? How is it capable of producing life with self-awareness, eyesight, hearing, smell, intelligence, senses to experience pleasure and pain, sexual desires, a high functiioning elaborate body with a organs all serving a purpose, self healing and equipped with an immune system? Your claim is that this all "just happened" without any sort of God, no information or knowledge of anything? And please do not try to insult my intelligence by pretending science can explain any of those things. All science can do is observe some of those things occuring. That does not explain how or why.
(January 11, 2019 at 6:05 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: All ice cubes did not miraculously come into existence. Water already existed. Environmental forces changed and ice formed from the existing water.
The same is for the universe. (Not exactly the same. It's an imperfect analogy)
The energy of the universe already existed. Environmental forces changed and an expansion event took place. Matter formed from the existing energy.
Nothing else is required. It's just change.
The only thing that ever remains the same is change.
No offense, but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. It does not explain any of the things I mentioned or a million other things in our universe. You are claiming an unknowing universe just miraculously makes things for no reason. How do you even manage to believe that?
(January 11, 2019 at 8:05 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Knowledge isn't required. Stars are formed all the time without any knowledge input from anyone.That is a straight up guess and not proven in any way.
(January 11, 2019 at 8:05 pm)polymath257 Wrote: All that is required is the action of the physical laws. As for 'power', that term is rather ambiguous in this context, but again, the physical laws are what mediate the formation of things.
But, and this is crucial, the known physical laws *do* allow for a 'universe from nothing', in part because the the total energy balance of the universe is zero (the gravitational energy is negative and exactly balances the energy from other sources).
Physical laws that came to be how? A universe from nothing is an unproven guess with nothing to substantiate it.
