RE: Venezuela was eaten the day Palestine was eaten.
February 7, 2019 at 9:06 am
(This post was last modified: February 7, 2019 at 9:39 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 7, 2019 at 8:39 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:Lunacy. Trump didn't do that, he exploited that work.... which had already been done, with islam and muslims accomplishing much of the heavy lifting.(February 7, 2019 at 8:12 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: The ugly truth of western foreign policy...not any singular policy but a network of nations with their own competing goals and interests, has nothing to do with your great satan fetishism. What you have and what you communicate on these boards isn't a window into that ugliness. It's a way to externalize your own country's domestic actors and motivations. The saudi police don't pick up the batphone and check with us when they want to kill their own.
I call you a loon because you're a loon. I call you a troll because you're the middle eastern version of a common alex jones.
Take a break from your "great Satan" broken record. We all know by now that Trump and his Oligarchs fooled the shit out of people and played the biggest scam in human history; convincing people around the world that "Islam is the monster"; not them.
Quote:Just like they once convinced everybody that the Japanese are the threat, just like their ancestors convinced the world that native Americans are the threat, and just like they will try to convince us now that China and Putin are the real threat.No one needed convincing after pearl harbor - it became a fact of the matter of the relationship between the nations, just as it was a fact of the matter in westward expansion.
Quote:Who are you fooling? we all know by now that local Arab leaders won't last a single day without western support. If Gog and Magog stopped supporting dictators, most of these dictators will fall in a single day.More lunacy. Arab, and more broadly islamic dictators are and have always been wonderfully competent on their own, and they have thousands of years of history to show their cred - a great majority of which was absent of "western" support because the west was a godamned shithole that couldn't even support itself or was very literally at war for centuries with the islamic world. Interestingly enough, it was competition with those very same dictators (over slaves and spice, cheifly) that initially drove the colonization of the new world (and even more interestingly, the demand for gold and silver in china).
Quote:The trick is old, and it was played so many times by the colonists (Gog and Magog) to invade the whole world and eat its resources.Except this isn't at all what happened. Spain, for example, failed to extract significant amounts of gold from the new world - and not for lack of trying. It was the invention of the patio process to refine silver which made the expeditions even close to profitable - but all for naught, because those resources passed through the hands of aragorn and directly to the east or..even more ironicaly, to the very enemies they sought to fund a war against with those resources. At the time, nothing that was produced in europe was in great demand where the items in great demand in europe were sold, aside from guns. So, the eventual terminus of this little experiment was that the colonizing powers suffered massive inflation and most of the goods extracted in the new world never so much as landed on european shores. They were shipped directly to buyers in the middle and far east. There was no way to justify the cost of convoyance (and it presented significant risk of privation). The extraction of the resources was only successful, in and of itself, with the assumption of the natives extractive methods and labor, which they;d employed long before we came and in turn had been developed to bolster their own pre-columbian imperial economies and the dictatorships which depended on them.
-and I've already explained all of this to you...the last time you decided to use the new world as pretext for bitching about secularism and murrica. In reality, it's just you lobbing a white supremacist fiction as a batshit rationalization for your anti-americanism. The rest of the world has never been some passive observer or powerless victim to an endless litany of white western crimes. Here's an interesting bit of trivia. I grew up down the street, about a half mile away, from where Narvaez landed in boca ciega bay in 1528. He was looking for gold, ofc. The natives immediately realized that they had a wonderful opportunity on their hands. So..for the next few years, they lead Narvaez around the gulf coast annihilating their tribal enemies..always promising that those other guys had the gold, that the gold was in the next town. There was never any gold, just the tribes enemies. Ultimately, only a few men of the eighty remaining (out of an expedition that began with six hundred) survived and made their way by land to mexico, back to then sovereign spanish soil. Those natives..like many others, failed to account for the longterm effects of their cooperation and complicity - but they very adeptly manipulated the europeans for a short term gain seen to be in their interests to the lethal exclusion of their fellow natives. We tend to view them as childlike innocents, but this is and has always been a conceit of ethnic supremacy and religious expansion - to infantilize the natives as a pretext for saving themselves from themselves as a justification for a colonial state of affairs.
The sad part is that it's been so effective as to have convinced -you- that your fellow people are spectators rather than the authors of their own continued misery. The islamic world collapsed, and in that vacuum home grown dictators saw an opportunity to use western resources in order to shore up their own claims to regional authority. Had they not gotten those resources, they would simply have butchered you some other way - as they'd been doing since the dawn of time. The house of saud..atlass.....is older than the us. They were dicking you and yours before we were a twinkle in some filthy rebels eyes. They have, and can, and will continue to use anyone at all to maintain this state of affairs, just as the natives of boca ciega bay did centuries beforehand and an ocean apart.
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