RE: Why did pagans not take any notice of Jesus?
February 23, 2019 at 7:36 pm
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2019 at 7:47 pm by fredd bear.)
@Brian37
"Because he didn't exist. "
Devil's advocate:
The historicity of Jesus has not been established. That does not prove he did not exist. Claiming he did not exist puts you in the same position as the believer who claims he did. Making a claim leaves you with the burden of proof.
Context; Jesus is said to have lived and died during the reign of Tiberius. He seems to have been a wandering rabbi at a time such people were common in Judah. He seems to have had a small group of disciples. He seems to have founded a tiny very Jewish sect. At the beginning only observant Jews or converts could join the sect. This did not change until Paul of Tarsus stuck his oar in--it was Paul who invented the religion called Christianity, not Jesus.***
His name would have been something like Yeshua/Yohua bar Yusuf, mother, Miriam; all common Hebrew names at the time. "Jesus' is romanised version of the greek "Iesous" . As far a s I know ,Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic, a Hebrew dialect, not Greek..Not sure if any of them had enough Greek to write the gospels. It is unsurprising his contemporaries, Jews and gentiles ,wrote nothing about him; he was a minor figure. His arrest and execution was not a significant event except for him and his disciples
Most of what eventually became the Newt Testament is myth and has little to do with the figure of Jesus..
Based on everything I've been taught and have read, I think it likely even probable that Jesus existed.I'm unable to make a claim either way due to the lack of contemporary evidence .
Brian, I agree with much of your basic position. I've posted this in support and to suggest only make claims you can actually prove. That helps keep your credibility, which I think generally high.
**The name 'Christian' to describe the new faith only came into common use after being used by the emperor Theodosius
Recommended reference; "Misquoting Jesus" Bart Ehrman, who is a former Christian, but still renowned biblical scholar. (predictably no longer by Christians )
"Because he didn't exist. "
Devil's advocate:
The historicity of Jesus has not been established. That does not prove he did not exist. Claiming he did not exist puts you in the same position as the believer who claims he did. Making a claim leaves you with the burden of proof.
Context; Jesus is said to have lived and died during the reign of Tiberius. He seems to have been a wandering rabbi at a time such people were common in Judah. He seems to have had a small group of disciples. He seems to have founded a tiny very Jewish sect. At the beginning only observant Jews or converts could join the sect. This did not change until Paul of Tarsus stuck his oar in--it was Paul who invented the religion called Christianity, not Jesus.***
His name would have been something like Yeshua/Yohua bar Yusuf, mother, Miriam; all common Hebrew names at the time. "Jesus' is romanised version of the greek "Iesous" . As far a s I know ,Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic, a Hebrew dialect, not Greek..Not sure if any of them had enough Greek to write the gospels. It is unsurprising his contemporaries, Jews and gentiles ,wrote nothing about him; he was a minor figure. His arrest and execution was not a significant event except for him and his disciples
Most of what eventually became the Newt Testament is myth and has little to do with the figure of Jesus..
Based on everything I've been taught and have read, I think it likely even probable that Jesus existed.I'm unable to make a claim either way due to the lack of contemporary evidence .
Brian, I agree with much of your basic position. I've posted this in support and to suggest only make claims you can actually prove. That helps keep your credibility, which I think generally high.
**The name 'Christian' to describe the new faith only came into common use after being used by the emperor Theodosius
Recommended reference; "Misquoting Jesus" Bart Ehrman, who is a former Christian, but still renowned biblical scholar. (predictably no longer by Christians )
