When America will come back for the rest of the middle east

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Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean we do.

Well, I do get it, in fact. It's just that you don't.

Tell that to the jobless and homeless here.

Well, it's almost impossible for you to decrease unemployment, as you have no more uses for labor, with the rising development in technology, and acquisitions and mergings of small businesses and companies.
Larger companies, however, have earned themselves juicy deals on Iraqi oil, for the most part, as it's now sold at half of it's worth when Saddam was still alive(although the west tried to make him sell it for cheap by not buying from him. This didn't deter him from giving the west the middle finger though.)

Then why is it? You can't just say something because you want it to be true and expect me to just say, oh, yeah.

This is generally in accordance with the value of your money. If your money is losing in value, the prices will go up. If it were otherwise, the companies wouldn't be making profits from it. Capish?
Besides, your oil isn't really that expensive when it's compared with the oil prices here, and we live in close proximity to both Iraq and Azerbaijan, both, who possess considerable oil reserves.

The pricks with bombs who sneak out of Middle Eastern countries. Don't forget, they're killing people there too.

They didn't, until you showed up. Iraq was quite stable, and islamic extremism was unheard of. Besides, our main enemy, the PKK, was on a steady decline, facing pressure from two sides, when the autonomous northern Iraqi administration was not yet established.
And Afghanistan was not known for the production of the largest quantities of Opium in the world, although the Taliban still had a large influence on the area, as it does now, and democracy, was still nonexistent, as it is now.

You're bitching about us being in the Middle East, so clearly this isn't just about Turkey or you wouldn't be crying.

I'm just pointing out the consequences of your small trip to Iraq.
And how it affected a country you see as an ally. But obviously, you don't care, but expect the rest of the world to care, when some people drive some jumbo jets into your twin towers.

The Cold War is over, dude.

It is, but your old agents are still very active in those areas.

Invading and occupying are different. We don't plan on staying there. So, yes, I see it as an excuse to invade. Borders mean nothing when there are crimes against humanity.

Which ones? Ah, you mean the gassing of kurds, I think, the same kurds that were provoked by the CIA into turning Saddam's wrath on themselves, and at the end, flooded our own borders with fucking refugees. Still, those crimes were committed long before the second invasion of Iraq, so I don't know what made you wait so long to take Saddam down.

Or do you mean the 9/11 attacks? If so, why invade Iraq, which had nothing to do with it?
Either way, your excuses are only valid, considering that you live by motto, "might makes right". And no one can really open up their mouth and say anything against you.

Bullshit. And, yes, if you can't stop them, then someone has to. FYI, the coalition isn't America. Australia? Heard of them? The UK? Ring a bell?

Stop who? I wonder, how many people died in western countries due to an attack by the Taliban?
Or the iraqi insurgency(who were founded after the invasion of Iraq).
Because those are the enemies that you've been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Aren't they?
Besides, it doesn't really matter if the UK and Australia is going to war with you. I'm sure the British people aren't really as enthusiastic about the war in Afghanistan as you are, but they've been forced by their governments, who heed America's call like a good lapdog, just as the Australians have been forced to fight in Gallipoli by the British empire, for a war that wasn't theirs to begin with, back in WWI.

I never cared about weapons of mass destruction by the popular definition. A dictator who is allowing, nay, orchestrating, mass murder is enough of a weapon for me.

As I said, the mass murders occured back in the 80ies.
The second Iraq war came to pass after 2000. Why wait so long to depose of dictators, America?
And well, why don't you invade Sudan aswell? Or Syria, just right now, as there are many reports about "mass murders" occuring there aswell.
But I guess that even the American public ain't buying this shit of "bringing peace and democracy" to the world, and Yarrak Obama doesn't want bad publicity for his next campaign, so he lets the rest of the NATO forces do his work for him.

You want me to invade N. Korea? No thanks. You're sitting in front of a computer screen pissing and moaning and you're talking about courage? Go to a protest or something.

I do go to protests, but not for the arabs, nor the persian. I've attended protests for Eastern Turkestan in front of Chinese embassies.
And as I said, if the USA is really so keen about bringing peace, and deposing dictators, they should start by bringing democracy to N. Korea.
The people there live in even worse conditions than Iraq when it was still ruled by Saddam Hussein.

To protect S. Korea. As for relations with China, don't be daft.

Can't South Korea defend his own? Besides, China is quite dependent on western investments for it's economic survival. In a possible war with N. Korea, it won't even lift a finger for them.

Tough titty.

That'd be the least of what I'd expect if I were an Iraqi citizen.

Yeah, the reason is propaganda. I don't claim my country has been perfect, but the ridiculous blame and blatantly ignoring the other countries that fight beside us gets old. Do you have a Red Cross? Do you fund refuge camps in other countries?

They don't fight besides you, they fight FOR you.
You drag them down into your shit with you, they don't say, hey America, let's invade Iraq/Afghanistan together!
We have a red crescent. We have sent relief to Pakistan and Haiti during it's times of need, as much as we could.
And yes, we fund refuge camps in our country, like we have done in the Gulf War, and now that the shit's happening in Syria. I'm fairly certain that our arab-loving government will give them all citizenship, as we don't have enough fellahin within our borders.
And those are fucking sunnis, not the alawi arabs in Hatay.

Yeah, that was nice. Just another country condoning crimes against humanity.

I see you're avoiding my point here. You've invaded a country with the reason of finding a single man, and it turns out that he isn't even there!
Of course, I don't think that he stood there for even a second after he heard that you were invading Afghanistan, and your guys were probably too stupid to realize that he'd flee to somewhere else! Or maybe they knew it, but just witheld it from the public, to kill him at the right time to boost public opinion on the war.

It is a mentality like his that develops into terrorism... Blaming the citizens for something they had little control over...

I am not saying you will become a terrorist, but that is what extremist islamists are like... They take it out on innocent people.

It does seem like you are venting hatred for a government towards its people.

Where exactly am I venting my supposed "hatred" for a government to the people? If he has supposedly no control over whatever that is happening out there, why is he defending them?
IF he defends them, it means that he agrees with the wars, and sides with his government, in which case I can refer to him when I speak about the actions of the US government.
It's really no surprise that you compare me to "islamist extremists", which show how well you've been brainwashed about the current public enemy.
I'm sure if it were like 30 years back, you'd probably say, hey, this man is talking like a communist(even though I'm staunchly anti-communist), it is a mentality like this that develops in communism, and whatever you said in the rest of your post, as communism was the public enemy of that time.
It's evident that western authorities constantly try to create a grand enemy image in the eyes of the people to gather more support for their actions. Once, it was the Germans, then, the Reds, now, "Terrorists".
And I'm supposed to be one, because I think that the world is under an ongoing US yoke?

I never said I hate it when "they" fight back, Frodo. I do, however, hate it that people ignore the poor folk who genuinely are happy that we went there. You know, the people whose family members were murdered by the terrorists they called politicians and soldiers? The U.S. didn't carry on where you left off. They picked up the mess you left behind. England abandoned Iraq to a fucking dictator, knowing full well that Iraq had no way to govern itself properly. How could they have? They have been occupied or terrorized since their fall, back when they were the practical center of the educated world.

England "entrusted" Iraq to a man that whom they thought they could control. However, Saddam had the balls to tell them to fuck off. America was supporting Saddam when they were fighting Iran, yet went batshit once they started invading Kuwait, but still didn't deposed him. Because they thought that he'd come around to play the game their way. He didn't, however, and during his days, Iraq was stable. Iraq was a place you could go to without being worried about car bombs, or mountain men, playing robin hood.