(March 6, 2019 at 10:24 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: The point of taking care of our own shit is to clean up our mess on the world stage. People who join the enemy in wartime don't revoke their citizenship, and burning a passport is not a legal procedure. They've committed treason.
We can all have different opinions on what the consequences of that should be and how much or little we care about what happens to those people...but -all- of that plays out in the framework in which we gather up our miscreants and try them according to our laws, to which they are subject...and by which we are bound. They might be assholes, but that's not not a valid reason to shirk our own responsibilities.
It makes no sense, to me, even if one is not a citizen, to allow someone who makes terrorist threats, or attacks us or our allies to roam free.
You have far less control over a threat overseas than you do if you bring them to our borders where we have control.
But even with places like Gitmo, it is hard to sell the rest of the world ideas of due process, if all we do is capture someone and don't provide them with legal representation.
For me, it isn't about liking the accused, it is a long term idea issue for me, in what kind of country we want to be?
I don't want us to be like mobs like ISIS, who don't give people lawyers and trials. I don't want us to be like North Korea where they can drag you off the street and make you disappear with no record.
If we as a nation, are unwilling to provide due process to the accused, then the innocent are under threat as well.
I agree. We cannot say we value ideas of courts and juries, then skip that because we are rightfully angry. Doing the right thing isn't about one person or one accusation, but a long term idea that prevents us from becoming mob rule, or tyrannical.
