(March 6, 2019 at 5:07 pm)epronovost Wrote: Doing propaganda for ISIS doesn't make you a combattant of ISIS. It can make you a civilian working for the news and communication bureau of ISIS. Those who made the adds and propaganda of the NAZI weren't combattant. They were civilians. Recruiting people for ISIS and encouraging people to immigrate within its territory isn't a combat position, not more then immigration personnel in any country are part of its military. ISIS hitself wasn't only trying to recruit combattant. They were also searching for doctors, teachers, mechanic, engineer. There was a civil society within ISIS held territory. Some of which were happy being there. She wen't specifically in Syria to join ISIS which, according to herself is a nation, not an army. You cannot consider ISIS as a nation when it serves your purpose and and only a terrorist group in the others. It's either ALWAYS a terror group or ALWAYS a de facto nation. In my opinion, she wasn't part of a nation, but of a terrorist organisation and she's American. Bring her back and lock her up after a fair trial. I don't think she represent a great danger to society either. She received no insurgency training, neither did she participated in combat. After a decade or two in prison, she could get out and represent no persistent danger. 40 years old women aren't exactly the most at risk demographic to engage in terrorist activities.
Part of her propaganda campaign was calling for American Muslims to kill Americans when they were gathered together on Veteran's Day and Memorial Day.
“Americans wake up! Men and women altogether. You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping!” she once wrote, according to The Guardian. “Go on drivebys, and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriots, Memorial, etc day … Kill them.”
That's warfare. She was actively engaged in warfare. She's an enemy combatant. She burned her passport with the specific intention of becoming an enemy combatant. That is exactly what US law describes as relinquishing one's citizenship.
It is people like you who make the best argument for why we can't let her return to the US. You're already defending her. You want to buy her weak excuses. If she comes back to the US, she had better get a prison sentence that is so long that everyone has forgotten about her long before her time is served. Because quite frankly, Americans aren't responsible for what they do to her if she gets a slap on the wrist. Some poor American who has never been in trouble before isn't going to be able to stand her walking around free as a bird, and they are going to go extra-judicial on her ass. It's what she deserves.
Women in the middle east think that women in the west are weak. I am absolutely certain that Hoda Muthana thinks that you are weak, and will buy her BS. And she's right. You've already bought her BS. It's what she is counting on. When she walks out of a courtroom with a slap on the wrist, someone is going to go extra-judicial on her. And if that happens, I hope that a whole bunch of us have the courage to go turn ourselves in, claiming that we intended to do the same thing, and the other guy just beat us to it.
We do not inherit the world from our parents. We borrow it from our children.
