There are no "Religions of peace".....

[The Grand Nudger]

I understand that you believe feeling good about that something doesn't actually mean that it will lead to good actions. It doesn't mean it will lead to bad actions either.

-aaaand we discard the history and current disposition of the christian religion.

We've already established that doing good/evil is human. What you're glossing over with every unnecessary repeat is that you're not acknowledging the power of the motivation. Moral motivations and metaethics correspond very strongly to motivators. We know we are all motivated to act based on tons of biological, societal, behavioral and cognitive forces. I was simply pointing out that an objective moral authority that is believed to be good and does good COULD influence motivation for societal good, not that it has to. Those humans can build organizations and to do all sorts of good/evil things. The culpability is on the individual still was my second point. I don't claim any "magic" being makes me DO bad/good. If a defined omni-god allows for sin and volition, then the onus is on the individual to act.

Seems like a strange thing to say n response to a post in which I pointed out the power of motivation...and the unique power of religious motivations..but carry on...lol....

Christianity to me isn't a "transactionary scheme" or a way to "escape accountability". It's a love story about sacrifice and forgiveness to me. You know precisely where your bias lies and exactly where your emotive statement was wrong. Religion doesn't tacitly justify shitiness any more than society justified slavery and oppression.. oh wait it did/does. I believe it is profound but doesn't seem a very unique motivator. People say with/without religion you'd have good people doing good and evil people doing evil but for good people to do evil things that takes religion. That's crap. It doesn't take a moral lawgiver to be a shitty person, I posit that it takes ignoring that moral lawgiver to do that. Just because it's human instinct to find a scapegoat to avoid accountability doesn't make it true.

I could lie to you, and say that I've heard something more puerile than the above, if you like?   Although, I think that you might want to repeat that last sentence until it sinks in.

Socially, levels of religiosity correlate to better neighbors and more conscientious citizens than their secular counterparts. They give more money, donate more time, volunteer in the community more, etc. They also belong to more civic organizations, vote, get involved in the community, etc. This holds even controlling for a host of demographic factors. This applies to religious liberals just as much (if not slightly more so) than religious conservatives. -American Grace: How religion Divides and Unites us by Robert Putnam.

Do I need to explain the power of the brute force of demographics to you, or ask you to fact check this notion against the amount of foreign aid and charity proffered by the secular governments of the world compared to the parasitic "non profits" grifting off your ignorance and the cultural institution of "god"?  

You guys just love to bitch about religion and bringing down the institution, and I guess it's the place for it. To be expected.

Persecuted everywhere you go, just like magic book said you would be.

Fear, predation, terror, ghoulish lies, and killing the better man.  There's your"religion of peace". Do you really think that a soup kitchen, or a percentage of the proceeds of fraud covers those sins? Have you ever really considered whether you could make the case for christianity....to christ..?

If you ask me, when The Man said "all fall short"....he wasn't kidding. Some, apparently, fall shorter than others.