(May 28, 2009 at 7:21 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: If you believe in something without evidence - then that means you are believing when there's no indication of the truth of that belief WHATSOEVER how can that be rational?
If Faith is defined as THAT - how can that be rational?
(May 28, 2009 at 12:24 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: I believe in the direct version of denying the existence of God and have in previous posts expressed my view of how to demonstrate that. But infortunately I have nor found sufficient members of this forum to agree with my views.
I'm always ready to reopen the debate.
Sure. You are more than welcome to start a thread on the matter if that's the case
So the clarify...you are a gnostic atheist? You believe God is DISProved or you claim to absolutely know he doesn't exist?
If that IS the case then rather than debate here perhaps you'd like to start a thread on the matter as I suggested - if you're always ready to reopen the debate as you say?
EvF
When I registered to the forum I ommited to declare my views so I'm completing that by declaring my self as a strongly convinced atheist.
I do agree with all proves so convincingly expressed by RD in the TGD.
I do not agree with this "almost" expression regarding the inexistence of God because I consider that there is also another way to deny the existence of God.
This way is based on the proof that God was created by man in an early stage of evolution of the human society,for a lot of reasons -spiritual,social, economical,psichological and so on
which were important to the development and survival of early human communities
All this historical development is provable by the sciences of history , archeology,psychology,economics and others.
Moreover ,in my opinion God is not only a historic creation by man but God is actually momentarily created in the mind of every believer ,the very moment he thinks of him .
Here intervenes the irrational thinking of the believer and that's why we all agree that it is difficult next to impossible to convince a believer in God through rational arguments.
The very need of people to believe in a supranatural entity which they feel that it helps them in their lives is a direct proof that this entity is nothing but their own creation.
Speaking of theists or "Intelligent creationists" their seemingly scientific prooves elude from this basic notion of the man-created God and after "prooving " his existence ,many of the jump directly to the God who needs to be whorshiped by men.
This is only a very short presentation of my opinion of denying the existence of God.
If the topic will find any resonance at members of the forum then may be it will be worth to open a new thread,
