Defending Pantheism

[The Grand Nudger]

You can only be telling me that none of what does it for me, does it for you. 

No I’m saying that feeling of gratitude you get from your family, and fortunate life, is the same thing I feel about mine, no more no less.

But this shared feeling your describing a feeling of gratitude, is not what’s meant by the experience of the numinous.

Still fucking that chicken, huh?

I likely have these experiences more than the average god botherer, since I surround myself with the circumstances that produce them.

What circumstances do you surround yourself by that you think the average god botherer is not?

That's the amusing part, there are plenty of christians who surround themselves with these same circumstances, and fwiw they get the sense in a lot of the same ways I do...that's part of our redneckish commonality.  The average god botherer, however, like any other average human being, doesn't live out in the hollar with us, isn't so thoroughly infused by the natural rhythm of life and it's attendant sense of awe and interconnected wonder, or raised to see divinity in an expanse of brackish water.  That's the whole enterprise of ritual observance and sacred gathering, to produce those experiences lost or diminished by a persons circumstance. A church stands in for some holy mountain, a rite stands in for the lived experience.

I tell you that these things produce that sense in me, as they do in so many other people, you fuck the chicken with some nonsense about how it doesn't do that for you.  

Entirely, your, problem. You're not actually interested in how or that atheists experience this sense of the numinous at all, are you, lol? It;s a common human experience, the only difference between an atheist and a theist is not in whether they experience it, or even experience it differently, simply in the attribution -of- it.

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-and since you're so far hitting 2/3 of the things mentioned in vulcans OP having covered objective morality and the numinous, would you like to make a run at the trifecta, and ask me how some thing might be holy without some silly god to make it so? Fuck another chicken when you get the answer you don't want?

Imma take you to church, lol.

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Or maybe you'd prefer a kindgom hall?

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No, howsabout a cathedral?

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No..none of that? Maybe this....whatever floats your god bothering boat, I guess.

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