RE: Do we have any female Christians left? If not, anyone is welcome to comment.
May 6, 2019 at 9:39 am
...and what are the roles of men in the relationship?
More specifically what do these very same verses say the husbands role is in the marriage when the verses re read contextually and not cut in 1/2 to only show how the woman is restricted.. what are the men restrictions and roles?
example verse 25 in eph 5:
25 Husbands, love your wives the same as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. 26 He died to make the church holy. He used the telling of the Good News to make the church clean by washing it with water. 27 Christ died so that he could give the church to himself like a bride in all her beauty. He died so that the church could be holy and without fault, with no evil or sin or any other thing wrong in it.
28 And husbands should love their wives like that. They should love their wives as they love their own bodies. The man who loves his wife loves himself, 29 because no one ever hates his own body, but feeds and takes care of it. And that is what Christ does for the church 30 because we are parts of his body. 31 The Scriptures say, “That is why a man will leave his father and mother and join his wife, and the two people will become one.”[a] 32 That secret truth is very important—I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 But each one of you must love his wife as he loves himself. And a wife must respect her husband.
The man's role in that time was equally disturbing as it is showing love so great and so deep that a man is commanded to offer his life inexchange of his wife inorder to ensure her salvation.
Both men and women where being pushed out of their comfort zones as women woud have typically offered a form of love while God knew we value respect more, and men where commanded to offer deep love when we where more comfortable offering respect to the wife. a currency most women do not know how to spend. So again love is demanded when a man's inclination is to honor and or respect the woman.
1 Tm starts at verse 8 for the men.
1cor 14 starts at verse 1 for the men. a ton of restrictions narrowly defining to whom has the right to speak in formal worship. it's not just restricting women but most men as well. limiting to only 3 prophets per church visit.
1 cor 11.. ah, no. verse 3 has your summary, the other 15 verses restrict and limit how worship is to take place with in specific gender roles not just how women are to be subjgated but how men are also limited to act.
1 col 3:18 Wives, be willing to serve your husbands. This is the right thing to do in following the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives, and be gentle to them.
20 Children, obey your parents in everything. This pleases the Lord.
21 Fathers, don’t upset your children. If you are too hard to please, they might want to stop trying.
what is wrong with any of this? as a wife is it not your duty to serve and honor your husband and as a husband is it not his duty to love and honor the wife then is it not good that children obey their parents?
it is not a one way command where wives are only made to serve... look at the passage honestly. everyone is giving to the family in such a way as to most greatly honor the other people. no one is on top. everyone is commanded to give in such a way as to bring greater joy to the other people in the family.
1 pet 3 starting at verse 7 is the man's 1/2 of the commands to as with christ die for your wives, before any harm comes to her. this also is a passages for both man and woman to simply do right
titus 2 there are literally 2 verses commanding a woman on how she is to act... THE REST OF THE CHAPTER restricts and commands how men should act.
what is the problem? you don't like your role defined? here's the thing as a man it is more tightly defined. we are responsible for more rules more regulation and more over site is demanded upon us and everything we do is scrutinized. As a woman you are in the position of the greatest freedom in that you simply follow the man you are married to as you would have vowed to do back then.
If this was too much then simply don't get married under God... why don't you research marriage in the first century outside of the church and see what a secular wife's role was like. It is my understanding that christianity was so far left in giving a woman basic rights it was scoffed and frown upon in all other communities. it was over reaching and gave women power and AUTHORITY in the house hold they never had before.
so why haven't the roles changed?
Because the men's roles and responsibilities have not changed. In all accounts it is demanded we die in service to our wives to establish a godly family and endure hardship and out right physical pain if need be honoring and protecting our wives as a matter of supreme love. why? again because a woman's currency is love and we are to fill her account with it. as with a man needs to be respected inorder to be loved, or even if he is not loved he needs to feel respected for the most part. why is it a bad thing to give a man the respect he values if he is willing to die for his wife?
More specifically what do these very same verses say the husbands role is in the marriage when the verses re read contextually and not cut in 1/2 to only show how the woman is restricted.. what are the men restrictions and roles?
example verse 25 in eph 5:
25 Husbands, love your wives the same as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. 26 He died to make the church holy. He used the telling of the Good News to make the church clean by washing it with water. 27 Christ died so that he could give the church to himself like a bride in all her beauty. He died so that the church could be holy and without fault, with no evil or sin or any other thing wrong in it.
28 And husbands should love their wives like that. They should love their wives as they love their own bodies. The man who loves his wife loves himself, 29 because no one ever hates his own body, but feeds and takes care of it. And that is what Christ does for the church 30 because we are parts of his body. 31 The Scriptures say, “That is why a man will leave his father and mother and join his wife, and the two people will become one.”[a] 32 That secret truth is very important—I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 But each one of you must love his wife as he loves himself. And a wife must respect her husband.
The man's role in that time was equally disturbing as it is showing love so great and so deep that a man is commanded to offer his life inexchange of his wife inorder to ensure her salvation.
Both men and women where being pushed out of their comfort zones as women woud have typically offered a form of love while God knew we value respect more, and men where commanded to offer deep love when we where more comfortable offering respect to the wife. a currency most women do not know how to spend. So again love is demanded when a man's inclination is to honor and or respect the woman.
1 Tm starts at verse 8 for the men.
1cor 14 starts at verse 1 for the men. a ton of restrictions narrowly defining to whom has the right to speak in formal worship. it's not just restricting women but most men as well. limiting to only 3 prophets per church visit.
1 cor 11.. ah, no. verse 3 has your summary, the other 15 verses restrict and limit how worship is to take place with in specific gender roles not just how women are to be subjgated but how men are also limited to act.
1 col 3:18 Wives, be willing to serve your husbands. This is the right thing to do in following the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives, and be gentle to them.
20 Children, obey your parents in everything. This pleases the Lord.
21 Fathers, don’t upset your children. If you are too hard to please, they might want to stop trying.
what is wrong with any of this? as a wife is it not your duty to serve and honor your husband and as a husband is it not his duty to love and honor the wife then is it not good that children obey their parents?
it is not a one way command where wives are only made to serve... look at the passage honestly. everyone is giving to the family in such a way as to most greatly honor the other people. no one is on top. everyone is commanded to give in such a way as to bring greater joy to the other people in the family.
1 pet 3 starting at verse 7 is the man's 1/2 of the commands to as with christ die for your wives, before any harm comes to her. this also is a passages for both man and woman to simply do right
titus 2 there are literally 2 verses commanding a woman on how she is to act... THE REST OF THE CHAPTER restricts and commands how men should act.
what is the problem? you don't like your role defined? here's the thing as a man it is more tightly defined. we are responsible for more rules more regulation and more over site is demanded upon us and everything we do is scrutinized. As a woman you are in the position of the greatest freedom in that you simply follow the man you are married to as you would have vowed to do back then.
If this was too much then simply don't get married under God... why don't you research marriage in the first century outside of the church and see what a secular wife's role was like. It is my understanding that christianity was so far left in giving a woman basic rights it was scoffed and frown upon in all other communities. it was over reaching and gave women power and AUTHORITY in the house hold they never had before.
so why haven't the roles changed?
Because the men's roles and responsibilities have not changed. In all accounts it is demanded we die in service to our wives to establish a godly family and endure hardship and out right physical pain if need be honoring and protecting our wives as a matter of supreme love. why? again because a woman's currency is love and we are to fill her account with it. as with a man needs to be respected inorder to be loved, or even if he is not loved he needs to feel respected for the most part. why is it a bad thing to give a man the respect he values if he is willing to die for his wife?
