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Why we might be alone in the Universe
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RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe
(May 10, 2019 at 2:43 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(May 9, 2019 at 11:36 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Except he didn’t address it.  What he did was to use an bullshit analogy with additional flourish - a very tight drop dead deadline - absent from the hypothesis it attempts to mimic to insinuate that the support cited for the original hypothesis suffers from extreme sample bias, when in fact the 60 second drop dead deadline has no analogy in the theory of abiogenesis.   The notion that the average lock picking process takes days or many time longer than the prisoner has does not exactly correspond to any well supported theory of what is going on during abiogenesis.  

In fact the observation that life arose on earth in less than 10% of the time it had available to arise - far skewed to the quick side of 50% one would expect to be average of the random sample constrained by the sample Windows - suggest the sample bias or the size of the sample window is weak explanation for the observation of quick abiogenesis.

So he tries to pass off as an analogy that which is no analogy, in order discredit a red herring.  And he did it in a manner very much reminiscent of a confidence trickster.

Let’s examine his bullshit analogy further by extending it.  Let’s say the prisoner picked the lock in not 60 seconds but 6 seconds.   Someone then tells him via YouTube that he would have dropped dead in 60 seconds, ie before now, had he not picked the lock, so his sample is skewed, but he sees zero evidence for that to be the case.   Should he conclude based on the available evidence of his picking of the lock in 6 seconds is likely a freakish occurrence, skewed by observer biases, and not an indication of how easily can the lock be picked?

@polymath257 expressed similar concerns about the "prisoner" thought experiment. To me (at least at first blush) the thought experiment seems to adequately show the possibility that fast abiogenesis on earth could be a fluke. What am I missing?

Both of you suggest that the window of time is somehow artificial. As I see it, it is not. Let's say that with our star there is a "window" of, say 8 billion years after the earth cooled for life to arise. After all, isn't our sun going to heat up enough to evaporate the oceans? And let's also posit that (for all we know) the chance of amino acids arranging in a fashion that they begin self replication is only likely to occur once every 20 billion years (r something).

To me, all the thought experiment is trying to say is: maybe we got lucky. Until we get more data, this is a possibility worth considering.


Any worthiness for consideration it might seem to possess must take a hefty discount because it had to resort to a fraudulent analogy to acquire that vague appearance of worthiness for consideration.

Anything is possible.   Science is not done by assuming everything that might be possible are all equally possible and worth considering.  Rather it is done by using evidence to separate the probable from all that is merely possible. Those who pushes the possible as being equal to the probable are either ignorant or hucksters.   Those who do so by using apparently crafted fraudulent analogies, like this guy, are more likely hucksters.
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RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by no one - May 9, 2019 at 12:12 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Silver - May 9, 2019 at 12:17 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by no one - May 9, 2019 at 12:41 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Anomalocaris - May 10, 2019 at 4:47 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 10, 2019 at 5:00 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by AFTT47 - May 10, 2019 at 8:38 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Alan V - May 9, 2019 at 11:34 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by madog - May 9, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by madog - May 9, 2019 at 8:27 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Jehanne - May 10, 2019 at 6:33 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Jehanne - May 10, 2019 at 8:12 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Jehanne - May 11, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 10, 2019 at 8:00 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 10, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 10, 2019 at 1:21 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 10, 2019 at 3:30 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by AFTT47 - May 10, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Fireball - May 10, 2019 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by AFTT47 - May 10, 2019 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 11, 2019 at 8:41 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 11, 2019 at 10:36 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by AFTT47 - May 11, 2019 at 10:32 am
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 11, 2019 at 12:42 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Brian37 - May 11, 2019 at 2:33 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Jehanne - May 11, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Jehanne - May 11, 2019 at 10:01 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by madog - May 11, 2019 at 11:02 pm
RE: Why we might be alone in the Universe - by Jehanne - May 12, 2019 at 6:58 am

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