RE: Elon and AI
May 30, 2019 at 2:11 pm
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2019 at 2:17 pm by Drich.)
(May 30, 2019 at 11:49 am)Mathilda Wrote:(May 30, 2019 at 11:20 am)Aegon Wrote: You could argue that he's not as educated on the topic as some, including yourself, and others who are personally working on AI itself. But I'm laughing at your wording. He knows "fuck all"? He's one of the brightest minds on the planet who is CEO of a company that revolves around AI and has the most advanced consumer-accessible AI vehicles on the market, and are constantly leaping towards advancing artificial intelligence in our lives. I don't know what Drich is referring to, but it's most likely another legitimate addition to this defense of his knowledge. You think he'd be able to reach this point if he knew fuck all about one of the main aspects of the business that keeps him famous?
I mean come on... you really think so highly of yourself that you feel comfortable putting down Elon Musk in such a flippant manner? I'm not just going to believe you when you say it like that. It feels like I'm on /r/iamverysmart.
No. It's a sign of someone utterly fucking fed up to the back teeth of people like Elon Musk, Sam Harris, Nick Bostrom, and even Steven Hawking who pretend that they have some knowledge of AI and talk about it with no real understanding of the fundamental principles behind it. They don't understand the basic history of AI research. These are futurists, philosophers and entrepreneurs (always men) that have never actually worked on strong AI (which is what Elon Musk is referring to when he talks about it in the future). These are people who are good at selling themselves while people who do the actual work themselves get ignored.
The very nature of strong AI is that your theory gets blown out the water the moment you try putting it into practice. Any one who works at the coal face finds this out very quickly if they are doing anything novel.
AI is not like a natural science where you have something that already exists that you can study.
AI is not like conventional engineering. When you engineer something you know what constraints you have to fulfill. You know the requirements. The essential problem of AI comes down to, how do you solve a whole range of problems when you don't actually know what those problems are going to be? Because if you knew this, you wouldn't need an intelligent solution.
The challenge of AI comes down to making it scale. Not recognising this has tripped up thousands of projects, ruined careers and closed start ups. People like Elon Musk and the futurists I described above extrapolate the curve and assume progress is constant. It never is. The current paradigm is already hitting the limits of how it can scale. These people mistakenly make assumptions that anyone who does practical work in the area knows from painful experience are utterly flawed.
The reason why people can get away with making such bold and flawed predictions is because we have made so little progress in strong AI. It's not like we can say ah, this is how to do it. All there generally is are real researchers who know what doesn't work and no one listens to them because that's not exciting.
Elon Musk one of the brightest minds on the planet? You think he personally designed the SpaceX rockets, Tesla cars and AI? No. He hired people to do that for him. His talent is in spotting opportunity and hiring talent. He is not Tony Stark.
do you want to know how I am not gullible?
I'm calling bullshite this mess!
You just put your hubris over and beyond THE KNOWN WORKS of : Elon Musk, and Steven Hawking... Understand what i said dim bulb... you scratched out a letter of pure self based pride over the world renoun works of these men
With nothing to back anything you are saying but a rant and your words...
you are the Dunning–Kruger queen! How highly must one think of themselves as to disqualify the works and words of an established forerunner/expert in this field, just based on your personal dislike. not citing one error or fundamental flaw in what they think say or do!
(May 30, 2019 at 1:58 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: I have called Drich batshit crazy.
I apologise... To all batshit crazy people
I'm bat shite crazy because I literally posted a warning from the top mind in this field. again that's not me in the OP video, that's not me nor my video explaining the first video for you dummies! All I've done is write out just a few of the things they said.
Again moron not my words, they belong to elon musk (maybe google him fore you dig your ditch even deeper)