(May 29, 2019 at 1:21 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(May 29, 2019 at 1:17 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Drich. How do you know that you aren't gullible?

He paid someone 100$ and asked.

Dollars?

Now the REAL smart ones are investing in blockchain currencies. And the trick with those is to pick the successful one before it gets noticed. Now it just so happens ...

(May 28, 2019 at 4:18 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(May 28, 2019 at 3:27 pm)Drich Wrote: succ

elon at 1 min 25 seconds starts explaining what his new company does.

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Sorry, this is about space x how?
This is about his new cyberdyne matrix link up company in what way?
Or do you mean the 100s of pattens this man holds in putting either of those things in production.. like rockets that can land where they tok off or the AI driving system he developed for his cars or the underground self driving loop system he created for san fransisco, make him feeble minded?

Not to mention running out of money is not the end of a company. it simply means assets must be reallocated. 
The point is you can not dismiss a genius because 1 of 10 world changing things he is doing is not doing measuring up to how stupid people measure success.

No, this is about Musk being a business man (see Mathildas original post). One of his businesses being a certain company (see my reply). Its not really that hard, isnt it?
Its "patent" by the way.
Its also a known fact that, while the design of his cars is quite appealing (i love it in fact!) and the battery and electronics tech in his cars is superb, the general automotive tech (particularly construction of the body) is quite sub-par, which is quite surprising since this is pretty established for decades now.

Oh, yes, i love the falcon rockets.  

Im not claiming he sfeeble minded, he just may not be "the saviour" (although we know you love these kinda guys).

(May 28, 2019 at 3:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Not to mention running out of money is not the end of a company. it simply means assets must be reallocated.

It.is.exactly.this. Thats why bancruptcy is a thing. Unless your first name is Donald, of course.

Because: If you never make it to the break even, you are *burning* money, and any investor (but th emob who wants its money laundered) who is not batshit fucking crazy will look for better ways to lose make money.

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(May 28, 2019 at 3:23 pm)Drich Wrote: blah

I'm not using terms like souls heaven or hell.

blah

So what did you mean by this? (as i asked in my very first sentence of my post. I didn task if you *use a term* but what you mean. Can you still not engage in basic conversation?

(May 28, 2019 at 2:08 pm)Drich Wrote: Remember when I said the brain is nothing more than a Transmitter/receiver?

the elon is scientifically describing these ideas at their core. consciousness being up loaded to a different reality or plain of existence. Consciousness= soul upload to a different plain of existence = Heaven or Hell as both are different dimensions by definitions.

then Math and i got into it on another post about the brain not being the progenitor of human consciousness that the brain is mearly a receiver and transmitter of sourts and I gave different examples of being able to capture brain wave emissions through the skull and map and read it even to the point of being able to operate a robotic hand which is an example of the brains ability to transmit and it's ability to receive is widely demonstrated through our 5 senses we take in analog imputs and the brain receives them as electrical impulses that determines smell light/way things look and even touch and taste. Now to step up the brain's ability to receive I point out some of the cranial implants that assist in hearing sight..

That aside Elon has taken it to another level completely if he has a way to upload the human brain to the internet. then it can be literally said the brain is sending and receiving information.

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(May 29, 2019 at 1:17 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Drich. How do you know that you aren't gullible?

dude is spending a billion ++ on this project. His own money..

What if anything in your life would you be willing to spend a billion dollar or more on to see it happen?

or maybe to scale it down what would you believe in so muc that you would leverage your house and everything you have to the point where everything else is in danger or suffers?

This way way smarter than you super richer than you guy says he is willing to destabilize his whole empire because he see a danger in working with the top/closest AI computers there are on the planet. and he also sees that our 'safety' will come in the way on being able to communicate on a scale equal to or greater than what we have created.

(May 28, 2019 at 3:15 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 28, 2019 at 2:08 pm)Drich Wrote:  

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/ar...th-ai.html

Because the man who can develop/owns a company who only job is to connect the human brain to a computer, which happenes to be on the brink of tying the human brain directly to an AI and communicate with it on a computer speed level know nothing about AI's..

I have a PhD and career history in AI, pre- and post- doctoral. I am a published researcher in peer-reviewed conferences and journals.

Elon Musk is a business man.

He knows fuck all about AI.

I strongly disagree. He's a good businessman, but he clearly cares more about the scientific and engineering aspects of his work. His goal, ultimately, is to advance humanity. IMO, he only excels in business as much as he needs to get proper public and private funding for his ideas. He's a good businessman... but definitely not a great one. Tesla isn't exactly a goldmine for investors. It's a volatile stock. But they're investing in him and his ideas. They're investing in Elon himself.

(May 30, 2019 at 10:10 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 29, 2019 at 1:17 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Drich. How do you know that you aren't gullible?

dude is spending a billion ++ on this project. His own money..

What if anything in your life would you be willing to spend a billion dollar or more on to see it happen?

or maybe to scale it down what would you believe in so muc that you would leverage your house and everything you have to the point where everything else is in danger or suffers?

This way way smarter than you super richer than you guy says he is willing to destabilize his whole empire because he see a danger in working with the top/closest AI computers there are on the planet. and he also sees that our 'safety' will come in the way on being able to communicate on a scale equal to or greater than what we have created.

That's not what I asked. How do you know that you aren't gullible?

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(May 30, 2019 at 10:43 am)Aegon Wrote:

(May 28, 2019 at 3:15 pm)Mathilda Wrote: I have a PhD and career history in AI, pre- and post- doctoral. I am a published researcher in peer-reviewed conferences and journals.

Elon Musk is a business man.

He knows fuck all about AI.

I strongly disagree. He's a good businessman, but he clearly cares more about the scientific and engineering aspects of his work. His goal, ultimately, is to advance humanity. IMO, he only excels in business as much as he needs to get proper public and private funding for his ideas. He's a good businessman... but definitely not a great one. Tesla isn't exactly a goldmine for investors. It's a volatile stock. But they're investing in him and his ideas. They're investing in Elon himself.

You disagree that he knows fuck all about AI?

Believe me, he knows fuck all.

(May 29, 2019 at 1:17 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Drich. How do you know that you aren't gullible?

His pastor told him he isn’t.

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(May 30, 2019 at 10:43 am)Aegon Wrote:

(May 28, 2019 at 3:15 pm)Mathilda Wrote: I have a PhD and career history in AI, pre- and post- doctoral. I am a published researcher in peer-reviewed conferences and journals.

Elon Musk is a business man.

He knows fuck all about AI.

I strongly disagree. He's a good businessman, but he clearly cares more about the scientific and engineering aspects of his work. His goal, ultimately, is to advance humanity. IMO, he only excels in business as much as he needs to get proper public and private funding for his ideas. He's a good businessman... but definitely not a great one. Tesla isn't exactly a goldmine for investors. It's a volatile stock. But they're investing in him and his ideas. They're investing in Elon himself.

He clearly thinks what is desired by Elon is good for society, and has no need to account for the professional opinion and assessment of the society. 

I suppose that is notably different from Elon desires what he desires and fuck you all.

(May 30, 2019 at 10:55 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 30, 2019 at 10:43 am)Aegon Wrote: I strongly disagree. He's a good businessman, but he clearly cares more about the scientific and engineering aspects of his work. His goal, ultimately, is to advance humanity. IMO, he only excels in business as much as he needs to get proper public and private funding for his ideas. He's a good businessman... but definitely not a great one. Tesla isn't exactly a goldmine for investors. It's a volatile stock. But they're investing in him and his ideas. They're investing in Elon himself.

You disagree that he knows fuck all about AI?

Believe me, he knows fuck all.

You could argue that he's not as educated on the topic as some, including yourself, and others who are personally working on AI itself. But I'm laughing at your wording. He knows "fuck all"? He's one of the brightest minds on the planet who is CEO of a company that revolves around AI and has the most advanced consumer-accessible AI vehicles on the market, and are constantly leaping towards advancing artificial intelligence in our lives. I don't know what Drich is referring to, but it's most likely another legitimate addition to this defense of his knowledge. You think he'd be able to reach this point if he knew fuck all about one of the main aspects of the business that keeps him famous?

I mean come on... you really think so highly of yourself that you feel comfortable putting down Elon Musk in such a flippant manner? I'm not just going to believe you when you say it like that. It feels like I'm on /r/iamverysmart.

(May 30, 2019 at 11:20 am)Aegon Wrote: You could argue that he's not as educated on the topic as some, including yourself, and others who are personally working on AI itself. But I'm laughing at your wording. He knows "fuck all"? He's one of the brightest minds on the planet who is CEO of a company that revolves around AI and has the most advanced consumer-accessible AI vehicles on the market, and are constantly leaping towards advancing artificial intelligence in our lives. I don't know what Drich is referring to, but it's most likely another legitimate addition to this defense of his knowledge. You think he'd be able to reach this point if he knew fuck all about one of the main aspects of the business that keeps him famous?

I mean come on... you really think so highly of yourself that you feel comfortable putting down Elon Musk in such a flippant manner? I'm not just going to believe you when you say it like that. It feels like I'm on /r/iamverysmart.

No. It's a sign of someone utterly fucking fed up to the back teeth of people like Elon Musk, Sam Harris, Nick Bostrom, and even Steven Hawking who pretend that they have some knowledge of AI and talk about it with no real understanding of the fundamental principles behind it. They don't understand the basic history of AI research. These are futurists, philosophers and entrepreneurs (always men) that have never actually worked on strong AI (which is what Elon Musk is referring to when he talks about it in the future).  These are people who are good at selling themselves while people who do the actual work themselves get ignored.

The very nature of strong AI is that your theory gets blown out the water the moment you try putting it into practice. Any one who works at the coal face finds this out very quickly if they are doing anything novel.

AI is not like a natural science where you have something that already exists that you can study.

AI is not like conventional engineering. When you engineer something you know what constraints you have to fulfill. You know the requirements. The essential problem of AI comes down to, how do you solve a whole range of problems when you don't actually know what those problems are going to be? Because if you knew this, you wouldn't need an intelligent solution.

The challenge of AI comes down to making it scale. Not recognising this has tripped up thousands of projects, ruined careers and closed start ups. People like Elon Musk and the futurists I described above extrapolate the curve and assume progress is constant. It never is. The current paradigm is already hitting the limits of how it can scale. These people mistakenly make assumptions that anyone who does practical work in the area knows from painful experience are utterly flawed.

The reason why people can get away with making such bold and flawed predictions is because we have made so little progress in strong AI. It's not like we can say ah, this is how to do it. All there generally is are real researchers who know what doesn't work and no one listens to them because that's not exciting.

Elon Musk one of the brightest minds on the planet? You think he personally designed the SpaceX rockets, Tesla cars and AI? No. He hired people to do that for him. His talent is in spotting opportunity and hiring talent. He is not Tony Stark.

(May 30, 2019 at 10:55 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 30, 2019 at 10:10 am)Drich Wrote: dude is spending a billion ++ on this project. His own money..

What if anything in your life would you be willing to spend a billion dollar or more on to see it happen?

or maybe to scale it down what would you believe in so muc that you would leverage your house and everything you have to the point where everything else is in danger or suffers?

This way way smarter than you super richer than you guy says he is willing to destabilize his whole empire because he see a danger in working with the top/closest AI computers there are on the planet. and he also sees that our 'safety' will come in the way on being able to communicate on a scale equal to or greater than what we have created.

That's not what I asked. How do you know that you aren't gullible?

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(May 30, 2019 at 10:43 am)Aegon Wrote: I strongly disagree. He's a good businessman, but he clearly cares more about the scientific and engineering aspects of his work. His goal, ultimately, is to advance humanity. IMO, he only excels in business as much as he needs to get proper public and private funding for his ideas. He's a good businessman... but definitely not a great one. Tesla isn't exactly a goldmine for investors. It's a volatile stock. But they're investing in him and his ideas. They're investing in Elon himself.

You disagree that he knows fuck all about AI?

Believe me, he knows fuck all.

because I check everything. I question everything and hold on to what is true.

I believe what elon is saying because of the money he has invested in this program, plus the time he has sat before the president and congress pointing the same things out he had in the op video.

That said elon musk in his new business has direct access to the top/closest thing we have to AI moron, otherwise how could he invent or develop a neutral link to sync the human brain to one? Not to mention he has developed two AI self driving systems.

(May 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 30, 2019 at 10:55 am)Mathilda Wrote: That's not what I asked. How do you know that you aren't gullible?

because I check everything. I question everything and hold on to what is true.

How have you checked what Elon Musks says is correct?

(May 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Drich Wrote: I believe what elon is saying because of the money he has invested in this program, plus the time he has sat before the president and congress pointing the same things out he had in the op video.

So you believe him solely because he has lots of money to invest in it?

(May 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Drich Wrote: That said elon musk in his new business has direct access to the top/closest thing we have to AI moron, otherwise how could he invent or develop a neutral link to sync the human brain to one? Not to mention he has developed two AI self driving systems.

You don't even understand what he is (apparently) claiming to have.

(May 30, 2019 at 11:20 am)Aegon Wrote:

(May 30, 2019 at 10:55 am)Mathilda Wrote: You disagree that he knows fuck all about AI?

Believe me, he knows fuck all.

You could argue that he's not as educated on the topic as some, including yourself, and others who are personally working on AI itself. But I'm laughing at your wording. He knows "fuck all"? He's one of the brightest minds on the planet who is CEO of a company that revolves around AI and has the most advanced consumer-accessible AI vehicles on the market, and are constantly leaping towards advancing artificial intelligence in our lives. I don't know what Drich is referring to, but it's most likely another legitimate addition to this defense of his knowledge. You think he'd be able to reach this point if he knew fuck all about one of the main aspects of the business that keeps him famous?

I mean come on... you really think so highly of yourself that you feel comfortable putting down Elon Musk in such a flippant manner? I'm not just going to believe you when you say it like that. It feels like I'm on /r/iamverysmart.

dude there is no end in how highly mathie thinks of her self.. This topic is self evident. when it comes to AI Mathie knows more about AI than the eddison, tesla, einstein of our time. The guy who has developed his own systems and is developing a direct neural interface with an AI, but mathie knows more.

Someone should hold her to the question what makes you think you are not subject to the Dunning–Kruger effect here? after all she who has ALLL this "knowledge" on the topic has generated "fuck all" when it comes to cashing out her knowledge into a way to make real money. yet she claims the man who has made billions in and around this very industry knows less than she does some how. yet she is a poor nobody and this man represents the next evolution personal transportation, space exploration and AI development! But again she on her word is smarter than the man with a undisputed track record.

hey mathie what makes you think you are not gullible? it is evident you have been using your own supply if you think you hold a candel to elon.