There’s a tiny alert going off in my personal World 2 warning me that it might be premature to start discussing (a specific example of) Information Items before reaching consensus on Information Flows but why not? It might be useful for clarification.
It’s not.
I think it might be best, due to the risk of equivocation, to avoid the word ‘objective(ly)’ altogether.
“An object or objective can be objectively measured using objective metrics.”
See the problem?
Translation; An thing or goal can be independently measured using quantitative metrics.”
Leaving aside that subjective metrics could also be used. :)
So perhaps it would be wise to refer to World 0 as non-subjective? And use ‘objective’ as a synonym for ‘goal’?
The question could thus be rewritten as “Can the <information item> be assessed using the following criteria?”
Relevant criteria being: accuracy, objectivity, completeness etc.
In this case, i.e. “knowledge can never be objective” is an information item and not a knowledge item and would be accurate in line with its ‘contingency’ property, specifically definitions of both ‘knowledge’ and ‘objective’ are required to precede this information.
Sure. No argument from me.
I’d go for “... statements which can be assessed as unprejudiced and impartial”, and drop the bit about ‘accuracy’ which is a different quality criteria.
Agreed. A World 2 experience.
‘Objectivity’ is an information criteria.
The statement/report is a World 3 artefact (output) and a World 1 artefact (input).
Agreed.
Well, yeah, but which category is being rejected by whom... objective or objectivity?
:huh:
Agreed.
Obviously.
:)
(July 12, 2019 at 8:19 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: [Is] the statement that knowledge can never be objective an objectively true statement?
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It’s not.
I think it might be best, due to the risk of equivocation, to avoid the word ‘objective(ly)’ altogether.
“An object or objective can be objectively measured using objective metrics.”
See the problem?
Translation; An thing or goal can be independently measured using quantitative metrics.”
Leaving aside that subjective metrics could also be used. :)
So perhaps it would be wise to refer to World 0 as non-subjective? And use ‘objective’ as a synonym for ‘goal’?
The question could thus be rewritten as “Can the <information item> be assessed using the following criteria?”
Relevant criteria being: accuracy, objectivity, completeness etc.
In this case, i.e. “knowledge can never be objective” is an information item and not a knowledge item and would be accurate in line with its ‘contingency’ property, specifically definitions of both ‘knowledge’ and ‘objective’ are required to precede this information.
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Objectivity, in ethics or anything else, simply refers to statements which purport to report facts and which do report the contents of those facts accurately.
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Sure. No argument from me.
I’d go for “... statements which can be assessed as unprejudiced and impartial”, and drop the bit about ‘accuracy’ which is a different quality criteria.
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Its not a problem for the reporter to have experienced that content.
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Agreed. A World 2 experience.
‘Objectivity’ is an information criteria.
The statement/report is a World 3 artefact (output) and a World 1 artefact (input).
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Your knowledge of your own name is derived from experience. We can (and do) acknowledge that human experience, and the apparatus of human experience present difficulties for any objective assessment
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Agreed.
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but a blanket rejection of the category is insensible and reduces the statements made to support its own contention into a self defeating morass.
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Well, yeah, but which category is being rejected by whom... objective or objectivity?
:huh:
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Succinctly, if there is no knowledge, then there can be no knowledge of there being no knowledge - and even this statement cannot be known to be true. Repeat ad infinitum.
Agreed.
Obviously.
:)
The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)