(July 19, 2019 at 7:18 am)Belaqua Wrote:You are so sure of your assessment of the person who recently died that you are Vaguebooking it by not even mentioning his name? Even you know that it's not generally accepted to bash the dead...particularly when they aren't even cold yet.(July 18, 2019 at 12:26 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Rob is a good guy. And he's a logical guy.
The folks wanting to say that he's "turned into a fruitcake" are the people who don't find it worthwhile to discover why one of your friends is hurting and confused. Plenty of people want to pile on a hurting and confused person because that's what's easy to do (from a social perspective).
"Hurt the vulnerable person," may be the best summation of the herd mentality. And someone who seeks to think differently than you? What do you think of them?
"He who seeks, easily gets lost. All loneliness is guilt" — thus speaks the herd. And you have long belonged to the herd. The voice of the herd will still be audible in you. And when you will say, "I no longer have a common conscience with you," it will be a lament and an agony. Behold, this agony itself was bom of the common conscience, and the last glimmer of that conscience still glows on your affliction."
--Nietzsche
See, here I think you're arguing against a moral view that is pretty much dominant in the US these days. It's the "I'm a macho man fuck you" moral system.
It says that once you are out of the charmed circle of people we approve of, we have no duty to be empathetic or kind. It's completely obvious among Trump supporters, who think the concentration camps are justified. It's also common among liberals, who think that anybody who voted for Trump must be a racist and lost cause, undeserving of our sympathy. People will even justify it as some kind of tough love, thinking that the person they don't approve of should be beaten until morale improves.
Recently a guy who posted on the old [S]inking Atheist forum died. His friends are eulogizing him as kind and generous. And to them, he was. He also spent a lot of time on that forum bullying people and typing the most hurtful things he could think of. But his friends agreed that the recipients of his cruelty deserved it, so they think it was a good thing to do.
In other words, a person can devote lots and lots of time to cruelty, and still be considered a kind and generous person.
(July 19, 2019 at 6:59 am)adey67 Wrote: IMO Rob needs the sort of help that is unfortunately completely beyond the scope of any forum or individual on the Internet to give.
I suspect this is true, and it's a sad thing.
A bully, no, not so much. One who didn't suffer fools, probably. One who would stick up for and defend the most hurt and damaged among us, definitely. Beloved by his friends, absolutely.
You seem to think you know what his friends thought/think. Well, I think along the way he said something that hurt your feelings and you think you can now slam him for it since he can't speak back. Whose character does that speak to?
pfft.