RE: Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?
July 22, 2019 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: July 22, 2019 at 5:51 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(July 22, 2019 at 4:14 pm)Belaqua Wrote:(July 22, 2019 at 10:46 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: If the third Reich didn’t collapse so soon in the pyre of its own crimes it would also likely bequeath to posterity awe inspiring monumental edifices and prodigious quantities of public art.
Most human endeavors that entrain large number of people and demand devotion will inevitable enlist some people of ability and creativity that can make lemonade out of lemons so that things will be created in its name that, when the endeavor itself has run its course, will remain and be considered of lasting value.
But the subtle point here is the lasting value is only there because the opportunity cost it incurred is sunk and can’t be unpaid. If the opportunity cost is considered in the assessment whether any value would remain is a totally different question.
If humans can make things of lasting value out of material so unpromising as domineering wish-thinking and crude superstition, one shudder to think what could have been made but were not made because those with creativity were constrained to make do with lemons because of the self-importance and ambitions of the purveyors of rotten lemons.
You've changed the argument now. Before you said that "fundamentalism" (in whatever definition you were using) couldn't create things of lasting value.
Now you've changed to say that it can create things of lasting value even though it's bad.
This second position seems more defensible to me.
No. I have not changed my argument.
Any one can create value by incurring costs far in excess of the value it creates. That is called net value destruction regardless of the nominal value of what it leaves behind. Value destruction by nature is easy to do, which is why the unscrupulously greedy always resorts to it when they find they can claim credit for the small results but dodge responsibility for the footing the big bill.
Value creation occurs only when what is produced to leave behind cost less to produce in total than its own value. That is far harder to do. To ensure results for others justify cost to others is what good stewardship means.
Fundamentalism is a value destroying proposition of a very high order. The fact that what it leaves behind looks impressive by itself does not change the fact that these values are trinkets next to the incalculable cost to humanity of sustaining the fundamentalism. Fundamentalism exists to serve its creed, if it were less dishonest, and the fundamentalists, if it were more typically dishonst. It is not there to serve those upon whom it hoisted itself. Hence it gives no real thought to stewardship of most of those whom it involved. It but seeks magnify the glory of its creed by exaggerating and claiming credit for everything it can whether it was responsible for it or not, while passing as much of the costs to others as it can.