Why Creationists don't realize the biblical Creation is just jewish mythology?

[Anomalocaris]

Studies show untutored humans in Neolithic tribal societies tend to have instinctive facility to grasp number of things up to a couple of hundred, which also happen to be the maximum number of people a typical person instinctively place into immediate social circle.    When confronting any number more numerous than a couple of hundred the instinctive ability to envision the quantity fails and the quantity is vaguely said to be "innumerable".    The fact that we can conceive of quantity larger than that now is largely the results of the fact that we've intellectually created the concept of mathematical numbers that is multiples of fixed quantities we can grasp, such as 10.   Most Neolithic tribal societies seems not to have been equipped with that advantage.


So anything more than ~100-200, say 1000, 2000, 6000, or 6 million are all intuitively innumerable to them.



But, Had the ancient Hebrews literati in the bronze age been equipped with the intellectual advancement required to count up to 6000,  and the old farts who made up the story of what Yahweh said happen to have been one of the fortunate ones who had been educated in that skill, that still doesn't mean the number of starts in the sky is now countable.

You see, there is no definite cut off to how many stars are actually visible to the naked eye of any one individual.   6000 is a sort of figure determined in modern times by analyzing the brightness of stars with precision instruments, analyzing the visual acuity of large number of humans in precisely controlled conditions, and then deduced.     It says around 6000 stars exist in the sky that should be visually individually discernible to some humans of good but non-exceptional vision under very good seeing conditions.    It doesn't say Benny Ben Yahu can always see 6452 stars, no more, no less.     The reality is Benny will never be able see all 6452 stars that instruments say should fall within the extreme reaches of his visual acuity.   right off the bat, 50% of the sky would be invisible to him at any given time.  That 50% is always changing as earth rotates.   Unless he has developed a RELIABLE system to fix coordinates in the sky and exceptionally good cataloging skills, he could never be quite sure which of the fainter star is a new one to count, and which has already been counted.   If the Hebrews didn't put extraordinary attention to creating such a system of sky coordinates and catalogue, and we have no evidence they did, then counting accurately without massive confusion up to 6000 different stars would be a fool's errand.   They 6000 stars they can theoretically see, would remain too numerous to actually count.   So innumerable.

As if that would be the only thing making the stars Benny can sometimes see innumerable.    Most of the stars theoretically visible to the typical humans exist at the very edge of theoretical human visual acuity, and then only under very good seeing conditions.   Even an individual human's visual acuity varies day to day, hour to hour, even minute to minute.  The seeing conditions vary even more, and on just as fine a time scale.   So if Benny is so minded as to develop his coordinate system, find a means to keep the coordinates pinned to the rotating celestial sphere, and develop a catalogue to keep track of which stars he has counted and which is yet to count, he is till in trouble.   For those very faint stars, which is the majority of the 6000, he could never be absolutely sure if he is actually seeing it, or just seeing things, because variations in his visual acuity and the seeing condition means he think he barely discern a star there one moment, and the next moment it is gone.  

Again, innumerable.

As it turns out, the number 6000 you quoted is not entirely accurate.  It applied mainly to people with good but unexceptional visual acuity in good, but not truly exceptional seeing conditions.  On night with exceptionally dark, cool, still and clear skies, up to 4 times that many stars may be discerned by people with exceptional eye sight.    

So adam Ben sharp eye says there were 156 stars in that patch them there yesterday. You only see 12 today, and only ever thought you saw 40 on that really good night. Who is right?


So again, innumerable.


You really need to treat all evidence as being against your god then as being for your god, because your intellectual predilection is to see god in very shit stain on every piece of discarded toilet paper.   Therefore to be intellectually honest in pursuit of what is rather than what you want things to be, you must assume every piece of evidence is a piece of evidence against what you wish to see, so as to not let what you wish to see confuse you about what you are actually seeing.    You must explore every piece of evidence until there seem to be no conceivable way to explain it without invoking god, then your should explore the possibility that it in fact has other explanations some more.

Only after repeating that process several time, will you add this evidence to the leger for god.   Then remember all those other evidences you have not yet examined must be assumed to be against god, and you only have one for.

Only then can you honest say what you believe to be true is not merely an artifact of what you wish to be true.

 All that crap to convince yourself that I'm wrong, probably the most pathetic thing I've seen presented yet. The ancient Egyptians used millions of stones to build the Great Pyramid, by what you have stated they would not have been able to plan the building of such a great structure. You also play with the number of stars as if they differed greatly in number from one person to another and you assume you know the eyesight of those who lived long ago, you are about the most ridiculous person here. On average some 6000 stars are visible to the naked eye, this is an established fact that you want to play games with. The ancients dealt with great numbers, some were vastly rich and owned vast herds of animal, jewels and money, yes they could count past 200 and only someone with out a brain would believe otherwise. You just can't stand it because I have introduced to the forum an unanswerable question unless God is part of it. I refuse to stay in a conversation with someone who denies the sensibility of proven fact.

GC

Really?  Trust me, what I say is far less crappy than your Bible, in whole or in any part.   In fact it would be beyond the easy effort of any one person not exceptionally talented in, and Totally dedicated to life long pursuit of, manipulation and deceit to attain the level of crap you deem to be your holy bible.

What made you think tribal primitive who can believe in Yahweh can be compared to the Egyptians pyramid builders?

Where are the pyramids of king David?

Why do you suppose the Israelites before Hellenistic influence were never amongst those from the near and middle east whose architectural, mathematical or astronomical achievements were judged worthy of admiration by posterity?  

What made you think having a herd in the desert means you must be able to count them?  Do you need to know how many pebbles are in it to make a pile of roughly this size?

Have you counted what is the highest number of stars you can reliably see, and see if that is the same number on different nights?

There is no established fact regarding how many star each person can see under any given circumstance.

There is only the fact that 6,000 stars in the sky are sufficiently bright, when viewed from the base of the atmosphere,  as measured by instruments, to be within visual acuity of average human with good but not exception eye sight to discern in good seeing conditions, again as established again by measurements.

As it were, under extremely dark skys in clear and still air, from higher altitude, ie better seeing conditions than obtainable at sea level, an average person can in fact see many more than 6000 stars, try it, go to Hawaii and drive up the road to the top of Mauna Kea, it is estimated the average person can discern roughly 8,000-11,000 stars from roughly 10,000 feet.  There, once your eyes become completely dark adapted, you likely can discern even  more than 11,000 stars.  You can make out parts of the dim nebulosity  of Milky Way is in fact made up of individual star like droplets in a wet fog, each discernibly separate form the rest yet still too closely packed to be reliably countable by eye.

You want to try it?  You can get a vacation to big island of Hawaii out of it?    A good spot to verify this is outside the visitor center of the Mouna Kea observatory. 

Test the validity of your reflexive defence of your Bible?