RE: Moral Oughts
August 1, 2019 at 7:02 pm
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2019 at 7:04 pm by Acrobat.)
(August 1, 2019 at 6:29 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(August 1, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Acrobat Wrote: I’ve had a number of atheists suggest that they have issues with the objective vs subjective distinction, though primarily when it comes to morality.
For the most part, people have less of issue indicating things as objective, such in regards to moral facts, or the tree in front of my yard, but subjective is where they have hangups.
In my view anything that isn’t objective is subjective. So if your consider right and wrong objective truths, but don’t consider moral oughts objective truths, than they’d fall under subjective.
Objective would indicate something that’s true independent of your own personal particularities,
If it’s the sort of things that true for you, but necessarily for me, than they’re subjective.
Ok, so let's put it this way:
P: People I care about would react strongly against me if I steal someone else's wallet.
C: I ought not to steal someone else's wallet.
Where would the subjective bit here be exactly? P seems to indicate an objective truth (if true), not a subjective one. If it's true, it's true regardless of what you or I may think.
Because C doesn't follow from P
P: People I care about would react strongly against me if I support black lives matter.
C: I ought not support black lives matter.
P: People I care about would react strongly against me if I steal someone's wallet.
A:it makes me feel really bad if they reacted strongly against me, and I'm scared of the risk that they'll find out.
C: I ought not steal some one else's wallet.
You're missing something like A, in yours. And perhaps you can seen why A is a subjective bit in my version.