(September 10, 2019 at 9:02 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: you seem to be confused, Acro....atheists don’t have -any- trouble recognizing these stories as stories.
They don’t? It sure looks like it. if we all recognize it as stories, perhaps they should be discussed as stories, as they were intended.
Quote:That’s what’s being pointed out to you. It takes a believer to believe in a literal Adam and Eve....and this literal belief has been in the majority for all of christendoms history.
Origen: “ Who would be so childish as to suppose that God after the manner of a human gardener planted a garden in Eden towards the east, and made therein a tree, visible and sensible, so that one could get the power of living by the bodily eating of its fruit with the teeth; or again, could partake of good and evil by feeding on what came from that other tree? If God is said to walk at eventide in the garden, and Adam to hide himself under the tree, I fancy that no one will question that these statements are figurative, declaring mysterious truths by the means of a seeming history, not one that took place in a bodily form.”
Clearly Origen disagrees, that if pressed no would question that the Garden of Eden story is figurative.
If we took a survey of all Christians at the time of Origen, and asked them the way Origen asked it, would they agree with him it was figurative? What percentage do you think would agree with him? Disagree?
Quote:Some contemporary believers don’t realize the necessity of special creation to Christ...but that’s an internal problem between themselves and their religion.
Why don’t you tell us about this necessity? Since you seem to be under the false impression that there’s only a single atonement view among the orthodox body of believers. Since you apparently know something I don’t realize, let’s hear it.
Apparently you seem oblivious to the fact that none of NT writings, including the Gospels, outside of Paul Even mentions Adam and Eves actions, in relationships to Christ.
Quote: Ultimately, though, it’s great that you recognize the story for its artistic flair, but unlikely that you have its message right. Your Christian lens compels you to interpret the intent of the authors in a specific way.
Where you see good and evil requiring the eventual intervention of Christ, the authors were conveying mans birth, childhood, puberty, and adulthood as a prelude to an imagined family history. The Jews have been telling you guys you got genesis wrong since forever.
Since you seem to know what I believe to suggest that it’s unlikely I have it right, then please tell me what you think I have wrong?
Also how do I see good and evil and the necessity of Christ? Clearly you seem to have some knowledge about my beliefs, that are foreign to me, lol, so let’s hear it?
