Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?

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Even if what you say is true how does the state or the Church or anyone else get tens of thousands of people, Christians and non-Christians, to see what they saw about the sun?  This is well documented. Their testimony has been written down. Even Fake and the other guy would have to accept that is evidence.

No, I wouldn't just like I don't accept that Lourdes is evidence of Hell because 1 in 3 million people heals there, just like I don't accept that Royal Touch is evidence that Hell exists and that monarchs are appointed by God(s). And that I don't accept that dragons are real because some catholics claim to have been miraculously healed near so-called dragon bones displayed in catholic churches.

And if you want to discuss Marian apparitions this is not the topic for it and we already discussed them in numerous topics, so maybe you could look them up.

Fatima , my friend, not Lourdes. Sure, I don't want to derail a thread. Isn't derailing a thread one of your logical fallacies?