RE: Hell is justified.
February 20, 2020 at 10:53 am
(This post was last modified: February 20, 2020 at 10:56 am by Mister Agenda.)
(February 19, 2020 at 4:52 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(February 19, 2020 at 11:16 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: So you're saying it's God's nature to torture, like it's a scorpion's nature to sting? Like a venomous wasp, God has no moral agency, you disturb God and God tortures you because that is just what God does.
One of the many problems with your comparison is that if we can't say God is evil when God tortures for the same reason that we can't say a bear is evil when it mauls someone; we also can't say God is good when God elevates a soul to heaven, just like we can't say a lion is good if it chases off a hyena that was about to attack us. Only a being with moral agency can be bad or good, when we call a dog a 'good boy', we aren't saying the dog knows the difference between good and evil and chooses good; we're saying the dog is obedient and affectionate and we like that.
The exception is that God is a rational entity. He acts with constraints that he himself obligated himself to act upon; the Quran -which I believe in- listed many of these constraints.
Animals are not rational. The "mercy" for example is a constraint that God obligated himself to; thus you can see people "live, love, smile, laugh...", but "justice" is also another obligation God has; thus hell and suffering exist.
So, not like a lion or snake in any morally relevant sense at all? You know, you can abandon that analogy. All of us make an inapt analogy sometimes.
(February 20, 2020 at 7:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote:Yes they can in my opinion.
Your opinion on this counts for bugger all. Mercy and justice are mutually exclusive qualities. Fact, not opinion.
Boru
Right, justice is when you get the punishment you have coming; mercy is when someone decides not to deliver it.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.