(October 21, 2011 at 1:58 pm)ElDinero Wrote: I watched some of the video, until it got too stupid for me. But it doesn't matter. I'm telling you that you are using your own presuppositions to prove a claim, which is not the way you do it. You denied doing this, and then explicitly stated that it was evidence 'for someone who believes the gospels', which is in direct contradiction to the claim that you are not using your own presuppositions. Do you seriously not understand this?
As you should well know, the authorship and time of the gospels is heavily disputed. We do not have solid evidence of Christ even existing, let alone being born under a star in a manger in Bethlehem at that time. As such, you cannot start making claims regarding the star matching up to the story of Christ before you've proved that the story of Christ is true.
I think we are going round in circles now. Here's how I see it - bias and all:
A 'weird' astronomical event is recorded in the gospels.
Nasa has confirmed that such an astronomical event DID occur, at the time that the gospels say it occurred (when Herod was alive- which can be historically verified).
Hence I conclude that the Nasa event is one and the same biblical event.
You don't have to conclude that the event means what the bible says it means, but I do think you (as a non believer) can consider that the gospels do contain truthful elements e.g Herod (he existed), Pilate (he existed), a bright star appeared in 3/2BC (yes it did according to Nasa).
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"
Albert Einstein
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