RE: Converting
May 5, 2020 at 3:12 am
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2020 at 3:16 am by Fake Messiah.)
cleansed Wrote:I believe because I have found everything God has said to be true. I believe the testimony of scripture which declares Jesus to be our Messiah
Yeah, it is hard to read this and expect there is a serious person writing these lines. I mean take Old Testament - it's all lies. None of the things described there ever happened like Adam & Eve, Samson killing the whole Philistine army with the jaw of an ass or Moses leading 100k people across the sea and desert. And the New Testament isn’t much better.
And if you believe those things came from God whispering it to people than the conclusion that God is a liar is inevitable.
And to say that scriptures are true is like saying Snow White is true, or Mahabharata is True, or Koran is true – they’re all fairytales at best, but lies in reality.
cleansed Wrote:The truth is that God is love, that He abounding in loving kindness.
It doesn’t much look like God is love when you go to the children’s hospital. Or read parts of the Bible like Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” – sounds like God doesn’t love women very much.
In Leviticus 18:22 sounds like God doesn’t love gays, for he orders “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. -- sounds like a hate to me.
And so on.
cleansed Wrote:He freely gives us this Earth and everything in it to enjoy. He gives us air to breathe, water to drink, a mind to dream and imagine, legs to walk and arms to hug our loved ones.
He also gives us Coronavirus, plague, tsunamis that kill 300k people at once, earthquakes, AIDS, newborn babies who must go to chemotherapy because they have cancer…
cleansed Wrote:If you want to know what God is like, look at Jesus. He is one with the Father.
That depends on which parts of the Bible you read. For instance, in Matthew 27:46 Jesus cried out on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" That hardly sounds like they are one.
cleansed Wrote:He never did anything wrong, He never once sinned, and He came to Earth to serve and not be served. He freely sacrificed His life and took the punishment for our sins.
Well, there you go. You just said Jesus’ sin, which is suicide. Jesus killed himself and yet suicide is supposedly a sin. And not just that, by his suicide he created “Christ-Killers” or centuries of Christian hate toward the Jews that only ended in 1960s. I mean take the year 1298, when a priest spread the host-nailing story in Nuremberg, and 628 Jews were killed, including Mordecai ben Hillel, the famous scholar – easy as that.
Or do you know what this is and who made those pictures and why?
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cleansed Wrote:That happens to Muslims all the time. Put muslim finds Jesus into YouTube and you will find endless testimonies of Muslims finding Christ through dreams and visions, contrary to their beliefs and the teachings of Islam. It happens to Hindus as well. And Jews. The testimonies are endless and if you listen to them you'll see the pattern isn't where you are born or what you are predisposed to believe. The pattern is that when people seek God in sincerity they find Christ.
And you will also find Christians who found Allah and Christians who claimed to have empty spiritual lives until they embraced Scientology. So does that prove to you anything? Or if I told you that there are more Christians leaving Christianity to be atheists than Muslims leaving Islam to be Christians would that mean anything to you?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"