(May 25, 2020 at 3:45 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(May 24, 2020 at 11:47 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: This is the opposite of the "Look at the trees" argument for god. The usual form is, "hey look at all this oddly planned stuff, there must be a planner." Or the watchmaker argument.When, in reality, there's oddly shaped stuff regardless of whether or not there are gods. Another necessarily true statement.
Quote:So what evidence do you have to to support your claim that grass grows WITHOUT the assistance of a god?Grass growing is all the evidence required to state with absolute certainty that grass grows regardless of whether there are gods. Grass growing is the non-negotiable unit of fundamental agreement between me and a god botherer.
Quote:Also, you said earlier in this thread that gods exist. I thought you were an atheist, or have I misunderstood your stance this whole time?Positing that gods exist for the purpose of discussion, likely.
To remain intellectually honest though one cannot say, "Grass grows without god." That statement is a claim and needs to be supported by evidence. Now is a person says god makes the grass grow you can say, "I reject that claim." and you haven't shouldered a burden of proof. That was my point. Your phrasing earned you a burden of proof!
