RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 2, 2020 at 9:17 am
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2020 at 9:23 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 2, 2020 at 9:12 am)brokenreflector Wrote:..............? If you say so, but that's cleared up now, huh?(June 2, 2020 at 9:04 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Can't be much more clear than telling you that I'm a moral realist, now can I?
You weren't direct in the beginning. You were filibustering.
Quote:Well, there you go. You don't believe in objective moral values at all. You're a moral subjectivist. Different gods, different morals.Quote:If there were a different god with a different set of necessary principles™, would those be the moral principles?
I have no idea what you're asking here. Are you asking if God had different moral values then would He have different moral values? The answer is yes.
Quote:Why, and if a god wanted you to murder or even ordered you to murder, would that then be moral?Quote:Can you give me an example of one of those principles?
Do not murder.
Quote:Quote:This should be interesting. Care to provide an example of that epistemological framework at-work?
The conscience.
Are you sure you know what the term epistemological framework means? A conscience is, at best, a folk description of the mechanism we use to assess or identify events or actions with moral import against our principles and within our epistemological framework. Frankly, if your epistemological framework is, in any sense "what my conscience tells me" then you invite even more subjectivism into the mix. A moral realist, a person who acknowledges objective values, can only refer to what facts tell them, regardless of what their conscience says or how it makes them feel.
That's what the term means. It doesn't have anything to do with gods, or you, or me, or any other subject. Objective/subjective. We still on the same page? Are we refering to the same thing when we use the term?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
