RE: The Struggle to do Good
June 7, 2020 at 7:42 am
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2020 at 7:44 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 7, 2020 at 7:33 am)brokenreflector Wrote:Correct. Including a gods.We've been through this several times already. I've tried teaching you what objective (and subjective) means, but you're unwilling or unable to learn. I don't know if you have a mental deficiency or if you're just being intellectually dishonest.
Regardless, a thing is objective if it's existence is independent of any subject's perception.
Quote:God's moral nature is independent of any subject's perception. Therefore, God's moral nature is objective.Third times the charm? Yes, I would hope that a gods moral nature could be objective. We manage to pull it off.
Quote:Unjustifiably.
If you think that the basic requirements of moral realism cannot be met, such that a moral realist unjustifiably holds the position - then you cannot be a moral realist.
Quote:Again, a malformed question to a realist. If moral statements referred to whether or not someone told me something, they would be subjectivist. I refer, instead, to the relevant facts of a matter x.Who or what told you that "harming human beings is evil" is a fact?
Quote:Is it? You'd think that two moral realists wouldn't need to hash that out between them.There is if the discussion is about whether or not objective moral values and duties exist.
Quote:....as ever, with realism, relevant facts of a matter x.What or who is your source?
Quote:Which is true. If the reason that you believe x is because someone told you to believe x, you have a subjectivist justification.True, but that's not what you wrote. You wrote that if X is told to you by a person, then that makes it subjective. That's false.
But I'm glad you're starting to clear up some of your thinking. At least something positive has come out of this discussion.
Quote:A person either does or doesn't believe that human beings are capable of identifying facts of a matter x. If they don't believe this, then they cannot be a moral realist.That's great.
So when are you going to share with us your source of objective moral values and duties? Because so far all you've done is say that you've observed some things; therefore, some things are evil. That's just a non-sequitur and does nothing to show that there are objective moral values and duties.
The belief that we can't, btw, is called error theory. Moral nihilism.
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