(July 5, 2020 at 10:09 am)onlinebiker Wrote:(July 5, 2020 at 9:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: When did I say they didn’t lose the war? I said they didn’t lose the land IN a war - the Black Hills were ceded to them to end the war. When gold was discovered on the land, the US appropriated the land under false pretenses and in violation of both the treaty and the US Constitution. Your own Supreme Court agreed with this assessment in 1980.
How can you not get this? The land belongs - legally, ethically and historically - to the Sioux nation, not to the US.
And in case your wondering why I’ve got such a bug up me arse about this, something similar happened to Ireland in the 12th century. But that’s a topic for another time.
Boru
The neighbors cows got into my grandfather's cornfield and ruined his crop in 1943.
By your logic - the neighbors that live there now owe me for those spoiled crops..
A better analogy would be that your grandfather and his ancestors owned that farm for generations. People begin gradually encroaching on his farm - trespassing, stealing his corn, etc. To defend what is rightfully his, grandad decides on an armed response (a position I’m sure you’d feel comfortable with), and all the neighbours respond in kind.
This tit-for-tat drags on for several years until both sides get tired of it. They make a formal agreement that the farm will stay in your family in perpetuity and the neighbours will keep their mitts off it.
Then oil (or gold or plantinum) is discovered on the farm, so the neighbours band together, tear up the agreement, and forcibly remove grandad from the farm.
You learn about all this and decide to go to law over it. The case drags on and on for so long that all the original parties to the agreement have died...BUT your case makes it all the way to the Supreme Court who decide that the land was illegally taken from your family and is yours by right.
Should the current occupiers be evicted and the property restored to you?
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
