(July 27, 2020 at 1:57 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Didn't exist as a community before the 20th century?
Is it because they were persecuted and hounded before that time and throughout the 20th and 21st centuries, or perhaps they just kept their existence quiet?
There was no feminist community/movement before the mid to late 19th century. Or was there.
Even if these two groups didn't have communities before this time, does that make their existence now any less relevant?
To put it another way, there was no Islam before the 3rd/4th century. So by this logic, Islam has no relevance.
I don’t agree that homosexuals were ever persecuted or “hounded”. Hounded means the authorities or mobs went out of their way to find homosexuals and then inflict punitive measures on them. As far as I’m aware, though I am open to the possibility of being incorrect, there are no significant, if any, examples of such hounding (unlike, for example, the hounding of witches or “witch-hunts”, or inquisition of creeds deemed heretical by the Roman Church). But the question that naturally arises is, if we grant that at certain times and places, which by no means is the general trend of world history, homosexuals were persecuted, how does that prevent the coalescing of homosexuals into a community? It was pointed out that some cultures and civilizations, notably ancient Greece, tolerated and even celebrated homosexuality. At the very least, if this is meant to be a community, it should have taken the shape of one in ancient Greece.
As I understand it, feminism is a movement and not a community. In fact, the aim of many feminists is to transform the population of women (who constitute half of humanity) into a separate community, but they have thus far failed to achieve that aim at any considerable degree of success and seriousness. Men and women have never constituted separate communities, communities have never been formed on the sole basis of gender or sexual orientation.
Muslims didn’t exist as a community before the 7th century CE because before that time Muslims did not exist as individuals. On the other hand, homosexuals have existed throughout human history as individuals, but they only took the shape of a community in the 20th century. It is my thesis that the LGBTQ community that has recently come into existence is a consequence of conspiratorial social engineering, and so unlike other communities based on race, ethnicity, language or religion, the LGBTQ community’s existence does not share the same legitimacy and fluidity.
