(August 10, 2020 at 6:04 pm)brewer Wrote:(August 10, 2020 at 5:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I agree it's a strawman, but it's also a case of special pleading
Atheists tend to frame the argument as, 'If everything that exists had a cause, then God must have a cause', which theists haven't argued since Aristotle made his case for an uncaused cause.
The proper argument is, 'Everything that began to exist must have a cause. God is eternal and so does not require a cause, since God has always existed.' This form of the argument is rife with its own problems, since 1) Theists don't adequately make the case for God having existed forever (other than definitionally and via a rather shaky appeal to infinite regress) and 2) This is nowhere near establishing a theistic god.
Boru
My conclusion, this philosophical theistic argument fails.
Tell us all again what I don't understand Bel. Or is it just that I don't understand it the way that you need me to understand it to prop you up.
(August 10, 2020 at 5:22 pm)Belacqua Wrote: You understand it better than Eleven, but there's a lot you don't.
Your hubris is boundless.
Kinda funny how we’re excoriated by Bel for thinking we know what Christians believe, but it’s perfectly OK for Bel to tell us how much we understand.
Funny, funny, funny.
Boru
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