(August 10, 2020 at 10:10 am)Eleven Wrote: The one fallible aspect of creationist thought is that all must have a creator.
Therefore, something must have created god.
But then theists decide via apologetic argumentation that special pleading is in order, thus stating that god always existed.
Eleven you really need to read up more on these topics. If by "creationist thought" what you're talking about are first cause arguments such as the Kalam, they don't argue that everything that exists must have been created. Otherwise it would, of course, be special pleading to nevertheless say that God was not created. But no one is arguing that in the first place.
And first cause arguments are arguments for first cause (whether it's labeled as God or otherwise). To get to a particular god like the God of the Bible, other arguments are used to get there that supposedly complement first cause arguments. Arguments such as the Resurrection argument.
So easy to straw man.