(August 14, 2020 at 8:03 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(August 14, 2020 at 8:21 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The "god did it" is not very good an explanation.
It never says how it did it or where it got the stuff, just waggled its magic nose and everything just happened.
It literally just avoids explaining things and has no positive value.
If you see someone claiming that "god did it" is a good explanation, or that nose-waggling is involved, you should argue against that person.
The first cause argument involves neither of those things. It says that all contingent things rely for their existence on something non-contingent.
No one on this thread has said why the argument is wrong.
No, the argument that people who say god did it boils down to this.
"I have no idea how things started so I am just going to say something did it and I think they did it on purpose"
So did something start the universe. I don't know. It may have been part of an eternity of past causes and effects.
BUT what I can say is that the chances of it being done on purpose by a sentient being is as close to zero as makes no difference.
If the universe had a start my money is on some natural as yet unknown cause.
God, is the lazy, no answer answer.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
