(August 16, 2020 at 12:55 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(August 15, 2020 at 7:30 am)Belacqua Wrote: The Thomist first cause argument isn't about the universe having a start. I don't know why you'd bring that up in this context.
It kinda is. The "first cause argument" by theists places god, a sentient being as the first cause. As everything is pretty much known up to the moment of the big bang, the start of the universe then my read is that it is exactly abut the universe having a start.
What is your take?
Aristotle thought the world was eternal, with no beginning.
Thomas thought the beginning point could not be proved through logical argument. He never made an argument about it.
He pointedly rejects arguments about a temporal starting point for the universe.
The Aristotelian/Thomist first cause argument is not about a temporal starting point.
Bringing up the Big Bang is irrelevant to the argument.
This has been explained at least twice on this thread.
