Creationism

[GrandizerII]

So you know that it was said, and just straight up lied in your last post.  Good for you.

Yes, it must be because I'm lying instead of the other way around. Context matters.

I'm going to elaborate for anyone who cares:

In response to this quote in FM's post (he referring to Augustine):

he said that time was a property of the universe that God created, and that time did not exist before the beginning of the universe.

Belaqua said this:

People say the same about the Big Bang. That it's nonsense to talk about "before" the Big Bang, because time didn't exist yet. I don't know if that's true, but it's interesting that Augustine came up with the idea first.

So the idea being referred to here isn't that time had a beginning, but rather that it doesn't make sense to talk about "before" the beginning of time. And "first" of course shouldn't necessarily be understood to mean "absolutely first in the history of mankind" but rather first relative to modern "people who say the same about the Big Bang".

The real point here, though, let's make an effort to be as fair as we can be in interpreting what other people are saying, especially those you may be prone to disagree with on many things. Hopefully all of us are learning new things in these discussion and we continue to improve in both contents of our beliefs and in our attitudes. Because we're definitely needing this more and more in this time and age.